Originally posted by Nicolas06 The theory say 1.22. So with same sensor technology, there should be 1.22EV. If there significantly more or less, it is due to different sensor technology or to the noise reduction algorithm. If the manufacturers don't do it as market segmentation, the long tendancy should stay around 1.22Ev.
Nicolas, what was never taken into account in this calculation is the additional spatial resolution that higher pixel count over larger sensor brings. What I mean is that even if the noise is the same (lets imagine that the full frame sensor pixels have more noise than the better apsc pixels of the same size), the images from full frame are all better. The reason is because when I shoot wide open, my lens isn't as sharp on apsc as it is on full frame (when both images are downsized to 16Mpixels). What's the result? Practically, when I've shot with my 350 euros Tamron 70-200 f2.8 on K3 and I've shot the same lens on K1, I can shoot wide open, images from the K1 look sharper than image from the K3. Even when increasing ISO on K1 by 2 stops; all images look better from the K1, with the same lens wide open. Same goes for the SR, SR works also better on the K1 because of the shorter equivalent FL relative to pixel size.
You make a calculation of a parameter (noise level) independent from the resolution. The calculation is true, but the inference on final image quality does not work. I'm saying the truth, unbiased, from what I get from the K1. The compounded effect of higher MTF and lower noise is greater than the 1.22ev of physical noise reduction. We really need to take real photographs to confirm (or not confirm) theory.
I know that the K1 system is; at the moment; over budget for a lot of people. But we should not turn things in a way to shrink technical capabilities of a camera in order to feel better about not upgrading to full frame. People have to be comfortable with their choices. If you say, K1 is too expensive for me, that's Ok. There is no need to carve out a theory to diminish the objective differences between camera formats. Yesterday I was out at night and took some shots with the K1, handheld. Images are incredibly clean and sharp. The lower shutter speed allowance of the K1 is higher than on a K3, combined with lower high iso noise, it's simply a big significant above the K3.