Sad Day

Wheatfield · 07-09-2008, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by Old Timer 56

It always amuses me to read posts about how such and such a camera has slow autofocus or has slow fps compared to other models. When I began as a newspaper photographer over 50 years ago, there was no such thing. I used two Contax IIA rangefinders and a Nikon SP for sports (it took me a while to convince the editor that the Speed Graphic the paper provided was maybe not the best tool for action), each with a different lens with the distance preset. Cameras were all-manual, auto nothing whatsoever. No zooms either. For some reason, we didn't know we were deprived. For sports we learned about the game and learned how to anticipate the action.

The world has changed, as have the benchmarks. You ran into that when you used a Nikon instead of a Speed Graphic for sports photography. Do you think you could make sale-able pictures now at a football game with a 50 year old Nikon rangefinder when your competition is using EOS1's and 300mm f2.8 lenses?
If your answer is yes, you are deluding yourself, though you might get some nice pictures of the cheerleaders.

pentaxographer · 07-09-2008, 09:08 PM

Sounds like a bunch of Pro poser s again. It’s just not reasonable to expect 2k of Pentax prosumer gear to compete with 20k of pro level Canon or Nikon.
'prosumer,' the consumer who thinks of himself as a semi-professional "

rfortson · 07-09-2008, 09:25 PM

I just don't understand why someone joins a Pentax forum so they can tell everyone that they're selling all their Pentax gear because it doesn't meet their needs. Why not tell it to the Nikon/Canon/Olympus/whatever forum that they're switching to?

I come to a Pentax forum to discuss how to use my gear and share pictures taken with same. If I have problems, I'll ask questions. If I decide to switch systems, I don't feel the need to broadcast it. That's pretty much like going to someone's party just so you can tell them how their decorating and landscaping sucks.

I don't mind the questions and discussions about Pentax. However, given the level of vitriol in some of these posts, you have to wonder if these people just enjoy torturing themselves. Or, they're paid shills for other brands.

vizjerei · 07-10-2008, 08:41 AM

I just want them sell their FA, FA* lens in cheap... where are they selling them?

Old Timer 56 · 07-10-2008, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

The world has changed, as have the benchmarks. You ran into that when you used a Nikon instead of a Speed Graphic for sports photography. Do you think you could make sale-able pictures now at a football game with a 50 year old Nikon rangefinder when your competition is using EOS1's and 300mm f2.8 lenses?
If your answer is yes, you are deluding yourself, though you might get some nice pictures of the cheerleaders.

Not at all. I would probably use a Nikon D3. But personally I'd rather photograph the cheerleaders. Happily I am now in a position to choose my subject matter without any regard to a client's needs. After many years of shooting sports, I am quite bored by it all. But cheerleaders are another matter! Anyway, my rangefinder cameras are long gone.

Richard

troywhite · 07-10-2008, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by Falcons

and the 40D IQ compared to the 20D - well lets just say you can sit in your closet with a cigarette lighter getting off on your faster low light AF and machine gunning shots to yor hearts content - I'll be outside enjoying my Pentax with its shake reduction on all my lenses.

Now that comment is gold

Made my afternoon cheers.

Jewelltrail · 07-10-2008, 11:26 PM

Quote:

rfortson
Loyal Member
I just don't understand why someone joins a Pentax forum so they can tell everyone that they're selling all their Pentax gear because it doesn't meet their needs. Why not tell it to the Nikon/Canon/Olympus/whatever forum that they're switching to?

I come to a Pentax forum to discuss how to use my gear and share pictures taken with same. If I have problems, I'll ask questions. If I decide to switch systems, I don't feel the need to broadcast it. That's pretty much like going to someone's party just so you can tell them how their decorating and landscaping sucks.

I don't mind the questions and discussions about Pentax. However, given the level of vitriol in some of these posts, you have to wonder if these people just enjoy torturing themselves. Or, they're paid shills for other brands.

You raise interesting thoughts, but I think we need to afford space for these kinds of posts too. Perhaps this will act to bring closure for the poster, or vent the poster of the grief and frustration they so clearly feel. It must be sad to let go of such an investment--such letting go demands sharing I think.

And the

Quote:

"level of vitriol in some of these posts"

as you put it, is a flag as to just how much emotion people possess surrounding their feelings for and understanding of, different camera manufactuers' philosophies. All this net results in posts like these here, and at the other forums as well. If we can say hello to newcomers with well wishing and care, we can do the same to those leaving. Just like with the radio, if we dislike the song or commercial, we can switch the dial--so long as the rules of broadcast are adhered to all is well and good.

Regards,

Ernest

KungPOW · 07-11-2008, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by OniFactor

SNIP..what do you think 10fps can achieve, capturing pictures of children and pets, that 3fps with a good buffer can't?

Milk out the nose?

OniFactor · 07-11-2008, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by KungPOW

Milk out the nose?

ha.. true. moments better caught on video, though.

davebris33 · 07-11-2008, 10:37 AM

I am BORED with reading posts and seeing the forum headlines constantly slagging off pentax gear...I bought pentax over anything else mostly because the camera felt solid and well built and not like a toy, unlike the competition at the time. (at that price point)
Surely people must realise that all the camera manufacturers make good cameras these days, and that the reason for bad photo's is more down to running before you can walk, lack of imagination and not understanding how to turn your ideas into real results...lets just enjoy our cameras, and stop this childish bickering.!!

Shashinki · 07-11-2008, 04:06 PM

I don't usually reply to posts like these, but this one is just obviously baiting you guys...

Play with your new camera for half a year and see Pentax beat it in one.

That's my £2

jamonation · 07-14-2008, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

Pros tend to use what they have, and have to justify every purchase to their accountants, amateurs buy what they can afford, and don't have to justify anything.

Tell that to the girlfriend or wife..

07-09-2008, 09:08 PM	#62
pentaxographer Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 44	it’s ok to fantasize and role play Sounds like a bunch of Pro poser s again. It’s just not reasonable to expect 2k of Pentax prosumer gear to compete with 20k of pro level Canon or Nikon. 'prosumer,' the consumer who thinks of himself as a semi-professional "

07-11-2008, 10:37 AM	#70
davebris33 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bristol UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 140	been here a few weeks.... I am BORED with reading posts and seeing the forum headlines constantly slagging off pentax gear...I bought pentax over anything else mostly because the camera felt solid and well built and not like a toy, unlike the competition at the time. (at that price point) Surely people must realise that all the camera manufacturers make good cameras these days, and that the reason for bad photo's is more down to running before you can walk, lack of imagination and not understanding how to turn your ideas into real results...lets just enjoy our cameras, and stop this childish bickering.!!

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07-09-2008, 06:39 PM	#61
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,986	Originally posted by Old Timer 56 It always amuses me to read posts about how such and such a camera has slow autofocus or has slow fps compared to other models. When I began as a newspaper photographer over 50 years ago, there was no such thing. I used two Contax IIA rangefinders and a Nikon SP for sports (it took me a while to convince the editor that the Speed Graphic the paper provided was maybe not the best tool for action), each with a different lens with the distance preset. Cameras were all-manual, auto nothing whatsoever. No zooms either. For some reason, we didn't know we were deprived. For sports we learned about the game and learned how to anticipate the action. The world has changed, as have the benchmarks. You ran into that when you used a Nikon instead of a Speed Graphic for sports photography. Do you think you could make sale-able pictures now at a football game with a 50 year old Nikon rangefinder when your competition is using EOS1's and 300mm f2.8 lenses? If your answer is yes, you are deluding yourself, though you might get some nice pictures of the cheerleaders.

07-09-2008, 09:25 PM	#63
rfortson Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Houston TX Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,129	I just don't understand why someone joins a Pentax forum so they can tell everyone that they're selling all their Pentax gear because it doesn't meet their needs. Why not tell it to the Nikon/Canon/Olympus/whatever forum that they're switching to? I come to a Pentax forum to discuss how to use my gear and share pictures taken with same. If I have problems, I'll ask questions. If I decide to switch systems, I don't feel the need to broadcast it. That's pretty much like going to someone's party just so you can tell them how their decorating and landscaping sucks. I don't mind the questions and discussions about Pentax. However, given the level of vitriol in some of these posts, you have to wonder if these people just enjoy torturing themselves. Or, they're paid shills for other brands.

07-10-2008, 08:41 AM	#64
vizjerei Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,418	I just want them sell their FA, FA* lens in cheap... where are they selling them?

07-10-2008, 08:47 AM	#65
Old Timer 56 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New York Posts: 168	Originally posted by Wheatfield The world has changed, as have the benchmarks. You ran into that when you used a Nikon instead of a Speed Graphic for sports photography. Do you think you could make sale-able pictures now at a football game with a 50 year old Nikon rangefinder when your competition is using EOS1's and 300mm f2.8 lenses? If your answer is yes, you are deluding yourself, though you might get some nice pictures of the cheerleaders. Not at all. I would probably use a Nikon D3. But personally I'd rather photograph the cheerleaders. Happily I am now in a position to choose my subject matter without any regard to a client's needs. After many years of shooting sports, I am quite bored by it all. But cheerleaders are another matter! Anyway, my rangefinder cameras are long gone. Richard

07-10-2008, 11:01 PM	#66
troywhite Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canberra, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 170	Originally posted by Falcons and the 40D IQ compared to the 20D - well lets just say you can sit in your closet with a cigarette lighter getting off on your faster low light AF and machine gunning shots to yor hearts content - I'll be outside enjoying my Pentax with its shake reduction on all my lenses. Now that comment is gold Made my afternoon cheers.

07-10-2008, 11:26 PM	#67
Jewelltrail Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Rhode Island Photos: Albums Posts: 4,180	Quote: rfortson Loyal Member I just don't understand why someone joins a Pentax forum so they can tell everyone that they're selling all their Pentax gear because it doesn't meet their needs. Why not tell it to the Nikon/Canon/Olympus/whatever forum that they're switching to? I come to a Pentax forum to discuss how to use my gear and share pictures taken with same. If I have problems, I'll ask questions. If I decide to switch systems, I don't feel the need to broadcast it. That's pretty much like going to someone's party just so you can tell them how their decorating and landscaping sucks. I don't mind the questions and discussions about Pentax. However, given the level of vitriol in some of these posts, you have to wonder if these people just enjoy torturing themselves. Or, they're paid shills for other brands. You raise interesting thoughts, but I think we need to afford space for these kinds of posts too. Perhaps this will act to bring closure for the poster, or vent the poster of the grief and frustration they so clearly feel. It must be sad to let go of such an investment--such letting go demands sharing I think. And the Quote: "level of vitriol in some of these posts" as you put it, is a flag as to just how much emotion people possess surrounding their feelings for and understanding of, different camera manufactuers' philosophies. All this net results in posts like these here, and at the other forums as well. If we can say hello to newcomers with well wishing and care, we can do the same to those leaving. Just like with the radio, if we dislike the song or commercial, we can switch the dial--so long as the rules of broadcast are adhered to all is well and good. Regards, Ernest

07-11-2008, 02:09 AM	#68
KungPOW Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vancouver, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,699	Originally posted by OniFactor SNIP..what do you think 10fps can achieve, capturing pictures of children and pets, that 3fps with a good buffer can't? Milk out the nose?

07-11-2008, 10:25 AM	#69
OniFactor Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Binghamton, NY, USA Posts: 643	Originally posted by KungPOW Milk out the nose? ha.. true. moments better caught on video, though.

07-11-2008, 04:06 PM	#71
Shashinki Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 355	I don't usually reply to posts like these, but this one is just obviously baiting you guys... Play with your new camera for half a year and see Pentax beat it in one. That's my £2

07-14-2008, 08:56 PM	#72
jamonation Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery Posts: 364	Originally posted by Wheatfield Pros tend to use what they have, and have to justify every purchase to their accountants, amateurs buy what they can afford, and don't have to justify anything. Tell that to the girlfriend or wife..