K-3 ii successor? Just curious...

hologram · 08-20-2016, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

Really but then why do we need a new camera? It already exist it is called K3 or K3-II depending of the flavor... As if you prefer a foveon from sigma? Why not just buy one, honestly ? Myself I would have absolutely no issue with you buying one. Sigma neither.

Anyway what name that camera should get? K3 1.5 ?

Face palms. I was obviously comparing sensors and if you had not noticed i said i had a K-3 and a K-70 and enjoy them very much. besides where do you think Sigma got thier Pixel Shift idea from? Yeah that's right Pentax and Olympus.

No matter.

Nicolas06 · 08-20-2016, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by hologram

Face palms. I was obviously comparing sensors and if you had not noticed i said i had a K-3 and a K-70 and enjoy them very much. besides where do you think Sigma got thier Pixel Shift idea from? Yeah that's right Pentax and Olympus.

No matter.

And so? The key benefits of K3 are pro quality + better AF. yet you prefer K70 AF that the same as prevous generation of K5-II but ask for D500 that is light years ahead..

You say Pentax camera are soft while they are as sharp as the lens you put on them and certainy as sharp as any other camera with the same sensor... like any camera.

Attached a 100% crop, no pixel shift, nothing special an it is crazy sharp still... because this is "only" 24MP this crop is actually 1/6 of the picture in both direction. Taken with FA31, effective framing 280mm FF equivalent. With you K70 or K3 you can print 30x40" no issue, you don't even need to enable pixel shift.

zzeitg · 01-27-2019, 04:54 AM

Some years passed since the last post. Do we know more about the K-3 II successor? I'm getting more and more curious...

biz-engineer · 01-27-2019, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by zzeitg

Some years passed since the last post. Do we know more about the K-3 II successor? I'm getting more and more curious...

The K3II successor was the Pentax KP, due to Ricoh Imaging having introduced the full frame line (K1 line), and streamlined its camera product lines to 3 lines: 1 camera for medium format, 1 camera for full frame, 1 camera for apsc. The logic of that is moving up market due for better margins, and not enough resources to maintain multiple camera models within a format. People don't want to believe this, but Ricoh Imaging acts and business logic match very well. Pentax KP successor should be the aim of the discussion.

zzeitg · 01-27-2019, 05:54 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

The K3II successor was the Pentax KP, due to Ricoh Imaging having introduced the full frame line (K1 line), and streamlined its camera product lines to 3 lines: 1 camera for medium format, 1 camera for full frame, 1 camera for apsc. The logic of that is moving up market due for better margins, and not enough resources to maintain multiple camera models within a format. People don't want to believe this, but Ricoh Imaging acts and business logic match very well. Pentax KP successor should be the aim of the discussion.

That's hard to believe as KP was a step down compared to K-3 II (or even K-3) in several aspects.

Why would they throw away the flagship and replace it by something which is... worse? That does not give any sense.

biz-engineer · 01-27-2019, 06:03 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by zzeitg

That's hard to believe as KP was a step down compared to K-3 II (or even K-3) in several aspects.

The KP has an accelerator, tilt screen and electronic shutter, and smart dial controls, the K3II did not have those features. So I see the KP as an improvement over the K3II, that's why the KP was introduced and K3II was discontinued. If there is the notion of successor and predecessor, then what was the predecessor of the Pentax KP?

**Mikesul** · 01-27-2019, 06:24 AM - **1 Like**

Is this what the Ricoh/Pentax executive meant when they said that the K-3ii successor will be a new (evolved) development and not an extension (paraphrase) of the K-3ii?

sutherland · 01-27-2019, 08:04 AM

If they just took the KP and added/improved the following:
- form factor
- larger battery
- top lcd
- larger buffer
- increased FPS

I would be very happy.

normhead · 01-27-2019, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by sutherland

If they just took the KP and added/improved the following:
- form factor
- larger battery
- top lcd
- larger buffer
- increased FPS

I would be very happy.

That what most of us are waiting for. I also like the dual card slots.
I actually quite like KP images especially low light performance. I don't need improvement there. I just don't want to give up things I already have. Dual card slot, big buffer etc. I want a step forward in every aspect from my K-3. We've waited 5 years, that's kind of a minimum.

zzeitg · 01-27-2019, 08:39 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

The KP has an accelerator, tilt screen and electronic shutter, and smart dial controls, the K3II did not have those features. So I see the KP as an improvement over the K3II, that's why the KP was introduced and K3II was discontinued. If there is the notion of successor and predecessor, then what was the predecessor of the Pentax KP?

Shutter life K-3: 200.000 vs. KP: 100.000
FPS K-3: 8.3 vs. KP: 7
Continuous shooting Hi RAW K-3: up to 23 frames vs. KP: up to 8 frames
Shutter speed K-3 II: 30s - 1/8000s vs. KP 30s - 1/6000s
Back LCD K-3: 3.2 in. vs. KP 3 in.
GPS K-3 II: built in vs. KP: no
Battery K-3: D-LI90 vs. KP: D-LI109
Battery life K-3: 720 images vs. KP: 420 images
SD card slot K-3: 2 vs. KP: 1 (* as normhead mentioned above)
IR remote ports K-3 II: 2 vs. KP: none

Not talking about KP ergonomy, mainly the grip (step down) and buttons layout (step down).

Another point which makes me think that KP was NOT meant as the flagship, is the price (lower then K-3 or K-3 II).

normhead · 01-27-2019, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by zzeitg

Shutter life K-3: 200.000 vs. KP: 100.000

I have already exceeded 100k with my K-3 I'm at 125,949.
Just another issue I wasn't aware of.

zzeitg · 01-27-2019, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by normhead

I want a step forward in every aspect from my K-3.

I second that statement.

reh321 · 01-27-2019, 04:03 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by zzeitg

That's hard to believe as KP was a step down compared to K-3 II (or even K-3) in several aspects.

Why would they throw away the flagship and replace it by something which is... worse? That does not give any sense.

I believe that Pentax originally saw no need for two "flagship" cameras - but then they discovered that the K-1 had 'inadequate' frame rate in "FF" mode and K-1 "cropped" images were 'too small' under modern standards. Their comments over the past year have not been consistent, making me think they have rethought their plans several times {which would explain the delay in their releasing a "K-3ii replacement".

reh321 · 01-27-2019, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by zzeitg

Shutter life K-3: 200.000 vs. KP: 100.000
FPS K-3: 8.3 vs. KP: 7
Continuous shooting Hi RAW K-3: up to 23 frames vs. KP: up to 8 frames
Shutter speed K-3 II: 30s - 1/8000s vs. KP 30s - 1/6000s
Back LCD K-3: 3.2 in. vs. KP 3 in.
GPS K-3 II: built in vs. KP: no
Battery K-3: D-LI90 vs. KP: D-LI109
Battery life K-3: 720 images vs. KP: 420 images
SD card slot K-3: 2 vs. KP: 1 (* as normhead mentioned above)
IR remote ports K-3 II: 2 vs. KP: none

Not talking about KP ergonomy, mainly the grip (step down) and buttons layout (step down).

Another point which makes me think that KP was NOT meant as the flagship, is the price (lower then K-3 or K-3 II).

You forgot to mentoin

Accelerator: K-3ii: no vs KP: yes
Built in flash: K-3ii: no vs KP: built in

When the K-3ii first came out, there were many complaints about their substituting GPS for flash.

PDL · 01-27-2019, 06:08 PM

Many of us bought the K-3II because it had GPS. I never used the little flash on any of my other Pentax cameras (OK maybe once or twice, but over 4 bodies with built in flash - the total is less than 10 times). I do not expect to ever buy another body, but if there is a next one, GPS is mandatory.

08-20-2016, 11:30 AM	#77
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by hologram Face palms. I was obviously comparing sensors and if you had not noticed i said i had a K-3 and a K-70 and enjoy them very much. besides where do you think Sigma got thier Pixel Shift idea from? Yeah that's right Pentax and Olympus. No matter. And so? The key benefits of K3 are pro quality + better AF. yet you prefer K70 AF that the same as prevous generation of K5-II but ask for D500 that is light years ahead.. You say Pentax camera are soft while they are as sharp as the lens you put on them and certainy as sharp as any other camera with the same sensor... like any camera. Attached a 100% crop, no pixel shift, nothing special an it is crazy sharp still... because this is "only" 24MP this crop is actually 1/6 of the picture in both direction. Taken with FA31, effective framing 280mm FF equivalent. With you K70 or K3 you can print 30x40" no issue, you don't even need to enable pixel shift. Last edited by Nicolas06; 01-31-2017 at 02:03 PM.

01-27-2019, 06:03 AM - 1 Like	#81
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by zzeitg That's hard to believe as KP was a step down compared to K-3 II (or even K-3) in several aspects. The KP has an accelerator, tilt screen and electronic shutter, and smart dial controls, the K3II did not have those features. So I see the KP as an improvement over the K3II, that's why the KP was introduced and K3II was discontinued. If there is the notion of successor and predecessor, then what was the predecessor of the Pentax KP? Last edited by biz-engineer; 01-27-2019 at 06:20 AM.

01-27-2019, 08:39 AM - 1 Like	#85
zzeitg Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: South Bohemia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,017	Originally posted by biz-engineer The KP has an accelerator, tilt screen and electronic shutter, and smart dial controls, the K3II did not have those features. So I see the KP as an improvement over the K3II, that's why the KP was introduced and K3II was discontinued. If there is the notion of successor and predecessor, then what was the predecessor of the Pentax KP? Shutter life K-3: 200.000 vs. KP: 100.000 FPS K-3: 8.3 vs. KP: 7 Continuous shooting Hi RAW K-3: up to 23 frames vs. KP: up to 8 frames Shutter speed K-3 II: 30s - 1/8000s vs. KP 30s - 1/6000s Back LCD K-3: 3.2 in. vs. KP 3 in. GPS K-3 II: built in vs. KP: no Battery K-3: D-LI90 vs. KP: D-LI109 Battery life K-3: 720 images vs. KP: 420 images SD card slot K-3: 2 vs. KP: 1 ( as normhead mentioned above)* IR remote ports K-3 II: 2 vs. KP: none Not talking about KP ergonomy, mainly the grip (step down) and buttons layout (step down). Another point which makes me think that KP was NOT meant as the flagship, is the price (lower then K-3 or K-3 II). Last edited by zzeitg; 01-27-2019 at 10:16 AM.

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08-20-2016, 10:08 AM	#76
hologram Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 9	Originally posted by Nicolas06 Really but then why do we need a new camera? It already exist it is called K3 or K3-II depending of the flavor... As if you prefer a foveon from sigma? Why not just buy one, honestly ? Myself I would have absolutely no issue with you buying one. Sigma neither. Anyway what name that camera should get? K3 1.5 ? Face palms. I was obviously comparing sensors and if you had not noticed i said i had a K-3 and a K-70 and enjoy them very much. besides where do you think Sigma got thier Pixel Shift idea from? Yeah that's right Pentax and Olympus. No matter.

01-27-2019, 04:54 AM	#78
zzeitg Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: South Bohemia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,017	Some years passed since the last post. Do we know more about the K-3 II successor? I'm getting more and more curious...

01-27-2019, 05:30 AM	#79
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by zzeitg Some years passed since the last post. Do we know more about the K-3 II successor? I'm getting more and more curious... The K3II successor was the Pentax KP, due to Ricoh Imaging having introduced the full frame line (K1 line), and streamlined its camera product lines to 3 lines: 1 camera for medium format, 1 camera for full frame, 1 camera for apsc. The logic of that is moving up market due for better margins, and not enough resources to maintain multiple camera models within a format. People don't want to believe this, but Ricoh Imaging acts and business logic match very well. Pentax KP successor should be the aim of the discussion.

01-27-2019, 05:54 AM - 1 Like	#80
zzeitg Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: South Bohemia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,017	Originally posted by biz-engineer The K3II successor was the Pentax KP, due to Ricoh Imaging having introduced the full frame line (K1 line), and streamlined its camera product lines to 3 lines: 1 camera for medium format, 1 camera for full frame, 1 camera for apsc. The logic of that is moving up market due for better margins, and not enough resources to maintain multiple camera models within a format. People don't want to believe this, but Ricoh Imaging acts and business logic match very well. Pentax KP successor should be the aim of the discussion. That's hard to believe as KP was a step down compared to K-3 II (or even K-3) in several aspects. Why would they throw away the flagship and replace it by something which is... worse? That does not give any sense.

01-27-2019, 06:24 AM - 1 Like	#82
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	Is this what the Ricoh/Pentax executive meant when they said that the K-3ii successor will be a new (evolved) development and not an extension (paraphrase) of the K-3ii?

01-27-2019, 08:04 AM	#83
sutherland Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 220	If they just took the KP and added/improved the following: - form factor - larger battery - top lcd - larger buffer - increased FPS I would be very happy.

01-27-2019, 08:34 AM	#84
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by sutherland If they just took the KP and added/improved the following: - form factor - larger battery - top lcd - larger buffer - increased FPS I would be very happy. That what most of us are waiting for. I also like the dual card slots. I actually quite like KP images especially low light performance. I don't need improvement there. I just don't want to give up things I already have. Dual card slot, big buffer etc. I want a step forward in every aspect from my K-3. We've waited 5 years, that's kind of a minimum.

01-27-2019, 08:53 AM	#86
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by zzeitg Shutter life K-3: 200.000 vs. KP: 100.000 I have already exceeded 100k with my K-3 I'm at 125,949. Just another issue I wasn't aware of.

01-27-2019, 10:06 AM	#87
zzeitg Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: South Bohemia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,017	Originally posted by normhead I want a step forward in every aspect from my K-3. I second that statement.

01-27-2019, 04:03 PM - 1 Like	#88
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by zzeitg That's hard to believe as KP was a step down compared to K-3 II (or even K-3) in several aspects. Why would they throw away the flagship and replace it by something which is... worse? That does not give any sense. I believe that Pentax originally saw no need for two "flagship" cameras - but then they discovered that the K-1 had 'inadequate' frame rate in "FF" mode and K-1 "cropped" images were 'too small' under modern standards. Their comments over the past year have not been consistent, making me think they have rethought their plans several times {which would explain the delay in their releasing a "K-3ii replacement".

01-27-2019, 04:10 PM	#89
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by zzeitg Shutter life K-3: 200.000 vs. KP: 100.000 FPS K-3: 8.3 vs. KP: 7 Continuous shooting Hi RAW K-3: up to 23 frames vs. KP: up to 8 frames Shutter speed K-3 II: 30s - 1/8000s vs. KP 30s - 1/6000s Back LCD K-3: 3.2 in. vs. KP 3 in. GPS K-3 II: built in vs. KP: no Battery K-3: D-LI90 vs. KP: D-LI109 Battery life K-3: 720 images vs. KP: 420 images SD card slot K-3: 2 vs. KP: 1 ( as normhead mentioned above)* IR remote ports K-3 II: 2 vs. KP: none Not talking about KP ergonomy, mainly the grip (step down) and buttons layout (step down). Another point which makes me think that KP was NOT meant as the flagship, is the price (lower then K-3 or K-3 II). You forgot to mentoin Accelerator: K-3ii: no vs KP: yes Built in flash: K-3ii: no vs KP: built in When the K-3ii first came out, there were many complaints about their substituting GPS for flash.

01-27-2019, 06:08 PM	#90
PDL Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: PNW USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,127	Many of us bought the K-3II because it had GPS. I never used the little flash on any of my other Pentax cameras (OK maybe once or twice, but over 4 bodies with built in flash - the total is less than 10 times). I do not expect to ever buy another body, but if there is a next one, GPS is mandatory.