Originally posted by normhead Thanks for the info... but I do configure the k-3 for 8 frames per second, AFs- shutter priority, AV, and no one has shown me that a K-1 in crop mode at 15 MP is better than a K-3 at 24 MP.
And I didn't claim it was. I said it was nearly as fast.
Originally posted by normhead The K-3 isn' any faster than a K-5 if used in tracking mode, but many of us who grew up using manual lenses are able to get images in burst without AF confirm or tracking.
I don't use tracking. I use center-spot focusing.
Originally posted by normhead So, you haven't really answered my inquiry. The K-1 is at a disadvantage a number of ways. Slower burst, less resolution in the crop area.
Given a 16 Mp APS-c sensor and a 16 MP FF sensor, you need a 1.5 longer lens to get the same image. That is your baseline.
But the K-3 is 24 MP, and the K-1 is 15 MP in crop.
So it stands to reason, that a K-3 image should have about 35% more resolution than a K-1 crop. And if you compare Imaging Resources images K-5 to K-3 the K-3 has a clear advantage. But IR doesn't test the 35x24 cameras in APS-c mode.
So that is my question is. Not what your favourite camera is at the moment, it was how does a K-3 image compare to a K-1 crop image.
The K-1 compares well in practice. The AF is better, which helps. The sensor is less noisy, which helps. But I haven't done a precise comparison. The K-1 is simply a better all round camera than the K-3II, so I leave the K-3II in the car in case the K-1 breaks.
Originally posted by normhead I'm also curious about your assertion that a K-1 is faster in crop, (we haven't established that the K-1 is better I.Q than a K-3 , so I'm not even sure that that is relevant.) much less determine that you can't coax a faster frame rate out of a K-3.
The K-1 has noticeable faster burst rate in Crop mode than FF mode. But since it is rated at 6.5 in Crop mode, against 4.4 in FF mode, that shouldn't be a surprise. But I only said that it nearly as fast as the K-3II in practice.
I think the reason that I haven't coaxed a higher frame rate out of the K-3-series is that I'm limited by the AF speed of the lenses. That is why I was down to about 5 fps for some of the older lenses, and up to about 6 fps for the newer lenses such as the D FA 70-200mm and D FA 150-450mm lenses.
Originally posted by normhead Forgive me, I've been dealing with FF nonsense for years. And folks tha have argued with me for years have only once been able to show me an image that showed why their D800 was better. And that was an image specific to his shooting style where he fudged the parameters.
So, I'm not only sceptical about some of these claims, I'm almost certain there's not going to be images forth coming to confirm them.
K-1 crop is smaller than a K-5 image, I am acutely aware of the difference between m K-5 and my K-3 for teleshooting. And so far no one has convinced me a K-1 in crop is better than my K-5, in terms of I.Q.
My K-3 when set up for a 8 FPS burst sounds like a Machine gun, sorry you haven't had that experience. Once you figure it out, you do get 8 FPS. I shoot beside guys with the expensive Canon cameras that do 12 FPS, and it does make a difference in some situation. There are certain limitations that simply cannot be overcome by BS. A slow frame rate is one of them. You can prefer to ignore it to take advantage of other strengths of the camera, but it's still there. You've just chosen for whatever personal reasons to write it off.
Please note that I nearly always use the K-1 in FF mode, because I don't need a higher rate even for aircraft in flight or motor sports. There are very many photos taken like this linked to in the review I cited earlier. Here is the page with all the links on:
Review: K-1 photographs
I switch to Crop mode occasionally when I need a higher frame rate, often just for a short period, perhaps when there isn't time to switch cameras and swap the lens across. I don't normally run for long periods in Crop mode, simply because I don't need to. And when I'm able to run in FF mode, obviously I get better photos than I get with the K-3II!
I too have stood next to such people with the top-tier Canon's and Nikons, while using the K-3-series, and where a high frame rate is needed, obviously they outgun the K-3-series. Pentax simply doesn't supply a camera to match.
But that wasn't what I was discussing here. I was comparing the use of the K-1 with the use of the K-3II for similar action with the same lenses,
in practice. If I can manage with the K-1's frame rate in FF, then I get better results with it. If I temporarily need a higher rate, and there isn't time to switch cameras for the purpose, then I can switch to Crop mode in seconds, and the result is sufficiently close to what I would get by changing cameras.
As I suggested above, I think in practice I am being limited by the AF speed of the lenses, which slows down the K-3-series to a rate that can nearly be matched by the K-1 in Crop mode. In other words, about 6 frames per second
in practice.