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07-29-2016, 02:57 AM   #31
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QuoteOriginally posted by cleaverx Quote
I am getting my K-1 next week. I am afraid, once I start shooting with K-1 I will sell one of my K-50 with "DA" lenses to make room for older FF lens like SMC A* 600mm

All good, that's exactly what I did....now ive only got one red K50 to match the Ferrari(k50 is faster,just look at the colour)


I haven't sold any of my DA lenses though but did buy the F24-50mm

07-29-2016, 04:10 AM   #32
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nicolas06 Quote
Hahahah and which auto mode? Even in manual you get exposure read, AF if you want it and if a TTL flash is attached you can still get correct exposure automatically.

All other mode are even more automatic. The camera compensate either with iso, apperture or shutter speed to get a correct exposure. The green mode is more automatic, that's true ans you can't use the same creativity here, but that's about it.

Should we use an external lightmeter as well ?
I'm going to dig out my old zeiss ikon tenax compur with the little flip up screen.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nicolas06 Quote
But I don't think we should avoid technology. If a beginner start today, there no point to ask it to take photos like 30 years agos.
Nobody is suggesting avoiding technology. That is why I suggested to either buy K-50 with manual lens OR K-50 with DA 18-135 WR (autofocus lens)..
I shoot with my DA 55-300mm WR almost always in autofocus except when camera have tough time to focus and is hunting or locking on wrong objects like tree branches etc....then I switch to manual focus. Good example for this is if the bird is behind bunch of tree branches. If you would shoot mostly birds then you would know what I am talking about. Just like auto exposure most autofocus lenses have the option to go manual focus mode if needed.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to get SMC Pentax-FA* 600mm F4 ED [IF] autofocus lens, if I could afford it or even find one.
I am getting K-1 next week, because it will allow me to shoot in less then ideal conditions with better Dynamic Range, ISO sensitivity , Pixel Shift, more MB etc..simply more modern technology. Eventually I will get some nice FF long telephoto autofocus for it like the SMC Pentax-FA* 600mm F4 ED [IF] or something new..who knows.
But mean time I will use my manual FF lenses, which so far has been working great with my K-50.
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QuoteOriginally posted by cleaverx Quote
Forget about Nikon D3300. Pentax K-50 or K-S2 are much better. I own two K-50 bodies with HD Pentax-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED WR, SMC Pentax-DA 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL WR,
SMC 500mm f/4.5, SMC A 400mm f/5.6.
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Great pic here (3rd one), except isn't this a golden eagle?

Did you use the "Catch in Focus" trick?

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Great pic here (3rd one), except isn't this a golden eagle?

Did you use the "Catch in Focus" trick?
Thanks,
(3rd one) is juvenile Bald Eagle...1st week of flying. For the first five years they gradually change color of their beak, eyes and feathers.
No I din't use "Catch in focus"..I was focusing as Eagle took off and keep following him during the flight. It is not easy to do with manual focus lens, but I got used to it and usually got pretty high percentage of keeper photos.
There are times when I do use "Catch in focus" Pentax made some manual focus long telephoto lenses made for sports and wildlife photography.
Good example is SMC Pentax-A* 600mm F5.6 ED [IF]. It has very short throw on the focusing ring allowing fast focus. I am on the fence to buy this lens.
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My vote goes to the K-S2 & 18-50.
She can buy some cheap manual glass if that is what she is interested in but if she just wants to make photos without too much thought then stick with modern stuff.
The 18-135 is a fine lens but they aren't all that hard to find or expensive.
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My vote goes to the K-S2 & 18-50.
She can buy some cheap manual glass if that is what she is interested in but if she just wants to make photos without too much thought then stick with modern stuff.
The 18-135 is a fine lens but they aren't all that hard to find or expensive.


Thanks to come back to the main topic of this thread...


actually, the lady is looking for a K-S2 and will deal with the 18-50 in the meantime to find maybe a used 18-135 at a good price... one step at the time.
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B&H has a deal now for K-S2 with DA L 18-50 WR and DA 50-200 WR for $693.93 Not a bad price for a great midrange camera with a decent lens coverage, and still be able to squeak it under $700 budget.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Weevil Quote
Thanks to come back to the main topic of this thread...


actually, the lady is looking for a K-S2 and will deal with the 18-50 in the meantime to find maybe a used 18-135 at a good price... one step at the time.
The only interrest of kit indeed if to get a better price. You may find that if you later buy used you pay the same total price but without warrenty in case you get a lemon.

But if you start with a basic 18-50 kit, there also far less reason to buy a 18-135 after. It the primary need is a walkaround, all in one lens for outdoor, then yes, this is still a great choice. Even through many here would prefer the 16-85 because it start at 16mm and offer better quality.

Honestly, if you are really after photography, you'd want some prime or f/2.8 zoom for the bokeh, subject isolation etc. A 17-50 f/2.8 from tamron is lower price and same weight than the 18-135. But would enable much more possibility for indoor/low light shots. Depending you could complete it with a 70-200 f/2.8 for a complete pro quality kit and very capable. Or if you want to stay light for the long range a very cheap used 55-300 or a 70-300 from tarmon or sigma...

Don't get me wrong 18-135 is great, ever greater overall in kits because the price better. But it is only good for outdoor, great light activities and if you don't want that much subject isolation. And past 70mm, the borders are not so good. The 18-50 is worse on all aspects, including build quality, range, optics ... Everything except size/weight. Both limit you to outdoor/great light and the 18-50 mean you lack the range. I find out that as a single lens solution you'd want at least to go up to 70mm to get some reach.
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Keeping a small WR lens like the 18-50 in a kit seems like a great move after a budding photog has gained enough skill and interest to pick a second or third lens.
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Thanks for all your advices, answers etc...
trhe final decision is made: the K-S2 + 18-50 kit lens wins...
but now we are facing an availability issue in canada, no one seems to have it in stock around here... (in canada, quebec)
seems to be available only as a special order...
very sad ...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Weevil Quote
Thanks for all your advices, answers etc...
trhe final decision is made: the K-S2 + 18-50 kit lens wins...
but now we are facing an availability issue in canada, no one seems to have it in stock around here... (in canada, quebec)
seems to be available only as a special order...
very sad ...
K-70s are in stock at Ricoh Canada and are very much in the same niche. Very little more expensive.
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K-70s are in stock at Ricoh Canada and are very much in the same niche. Very little more expensive.
Well, yes that could be an option, but if we are on a budget like stated above, she would need to buy the K-70 Body only...


I did the exercice, and let's say she buy the K-70 body, I checked on Kijiji for a used 18-50 WR kit lens, and couldn't find one, I however found some 18-55mm WR variants for less than 100$ (CAN)...


They both seems to get the same rating in the reviews here, anyone knows the main differences ?
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I however found some 18-55mm WR variants for less than 100$ (CAN)...

They both seems to get the same rating in the reviews here, anyone knows the main differences ?
The two most current Pentax 18-55mm were the kit lens that came with the K-50 and the kits lens that comes with the K-S1 and K-S2. The latter is more compact but from the reviews Iʻve read, less favorable than the non-compact version that comes with the K-50. I know from experience that the 18-55mm WR kit lens that comes with the K-50 is under rated and often undeservedly maligned.

I would recommend the Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AL WR Zoom Lens (silver or green ring) over the SMC PENTAX-DA L 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AL Lens (no color ring).
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IMO DA 18-135 is worth the extra budget compared to any other kit lens: better lens and much more convenient.
K50, K70 and K-S2 are very close cameras, the newest being the most expensive, like for I-phones.
K-S2 and K70 offer WiFi and tilt and swivel screen, that K50 lacks, but there are very little differences between K-S2 and K70.
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