Originally posted by freddyisaac I'm not a huge fan of the LI109 in my K30 seems a bit underpowered. I just ordered a second one from Adorama (third party power2000 - hopefully this will be ok). The LI90 in the K-7 etc seem much better (larger capacity of course). I would have preferred one of these in the K30 rather than the AA option. Still a great little camera though. . . .
I must admit the D-Li109 confuses me. The only reason I like it is because cameras that take it often take the D-BH109, which is what I'm using in my K-50. (Even gave my D-Li109 & charger to a fellow Pentax user -- never even tried them.) I'd also thought that they had room for a D-Li90 in less room than they had set aside for the D-BH109 battery adapter.
As much as I like NiMH AA's, I have to admit that Li-Ion beats them for watt*hours per cu. in. (and lb.), so when the NiMH battery adapter beats your Li-Ion battery for # of shots, something's wrong. I thought they should have come up with a Li-Ion the same shape as the adapter, which should definitely have satisfied all the day-long shooting people.
Originally posted by freddyisaac . . . Apart from that I find the dazzling array of NiMHs available (Amazon, Imedion, EBL, Eneloop, sunlabz etc. etc.) a bit overwhelming when trying to decide which to buy. Most review sites seem to just say eneloop are best !! but that is the web these days lots of content with little real info. . . .
I can understand your consternation. There are a few really good rechargeable battery manufacturers out there (Panasonic, Fujitsu, Ansmann come to mind), but there are a lot that are trying to roll the cheapest battery they can, and often they OEM for the big disposable battery names, who don't really seem to care about their rechargeable business.
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Originally posted by dafbp I hate having to buy very expensive new backup batteries when they decide to change the format.
If they need 7.2V, two 18650 would suffice, and blow the hell out of current proprietary batteries for capacity (2500-3500mAh). I'm sure they could use the small size increase for something useful.
Get a good charger, and you're set. And that's the main reason they don't use it.
P.S.:Kudos to Ricoh (I still call a Pentax camera Pentax, but it's Ricoh who makes the decisions) for keeping Dli90 for K1, hopefully they keep it for the next top APS.
Yes. For me, I'm not so much in love with the NiMH as I am the idea that I can use inexpensive commodity batteries that share a charger with other things. I've always viewed proprietary batteries as the manufacturer's attempt to "lock you in" after the sale, not being satisfied with delivering you a well-engineered product that will be outdated in two years. And the extra chargers. It is laudable that Pentax has kept the same battery shape for so long.
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Originally posted by Scintilla I much prefer Eneloops over the D-Li109 in my K-30, mostly because they last longer, though they do seem to give less warning before running out. It's also nice that I can grab another set from one of my flashes in a pinch.
Recently they've also been operating the aperture block far better than the D-Li109.
Fortunately, I've never had aperture block problems with my K-50, but I'm a little surprised that different batteries would make a difference (other than perhaps charge level, which would definitely indicate a design problem with the camera). But I went so far as to purchase extra D-BH109's and use them as battery holders. They would be MUCH more useful as battery holders if Pentax would come up with caps to reduce the possibility of shorting out the top terminals, which happen to be right next to each other on the same face of the adapter.
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Originally posted by fb_penpho AA NiMH has the BIG disadvantage of not having a high enough voltage. So no matter how much you charge, a camera may reject far too early because it detects the low voltage, even though the battery still contains a big charge.
It is true that, like Li-Ion, NiMH batteries have a "shelf" for voltage drop-off toward end-of-life, making loaded voltage a difficult thing to use to detect low battery. The only reason alkaline batteries have an easier-to-read curve is because they have a high internal resistance, which means even fully charged they have difficulty running something as hungry as a digital camera in the first place. It really has nothing to do with voltage. Most Li-Ion fare better only because they have a battery meter built in to make them harder to blow up.
Originally posted by fb_penpho On the same lines I like Li-ion for it's high capacity and low self dischage, plus high stabel voltage.
IF they use the proper Li-Ion chemistry, Li-Ion batteries can be low-self-discharge, but usually they don't, because you get more power in the same space with less weight by not caring about self-discharge rates. I don't know what Pentax uses. However, I don't think even LiFePO4 offers quite the low self-discharge rate of an Eneloop. Also, if the battery is a "smart" battery (which most Li-Ion batteries are), it takes energy to run the coulomb counter and metering.
Originally posted by fb_penpho I would like to have flash units powered by camera batteries for the same reason.
Why don't they? That would eliminate a major reason for AA's in your bag, and make the flash, which you have to balance (most often) ON TOP OF your camera WHILE HOLDING IT STEADY significantly less bulky and heavy. It's not like someone's going to purchase a Pentax flash for their Canon so they can operate it in manual mode.
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Originally posted by nicolpa47 My first DSLR was a K100D, which was set up for AA batteries. I bought 4 sets of batteries. Over a period of time, and even though they might have been freshly charged, the camera ran out of power very quickly or needed repeated switching off and on again to keep it live. Every time I went to use the camera it would not start. Following web research, I tried a non-rechargeable CV3 battery which seems to work at a cost and, more recently, rechargeable Eneloop Pros seem to work.
Because of the above problems, I bought a K30 and, later, a K50 - the K100d being passed for use by a grandson or as an emergency backup - and I have had no problems at all with the batteries for those cameras or their working capacity. I have added an aftermarket(Ansmann) battery and that is performing well. I wish that there were fewer battery types/chargers, but the primary point is that they should work, and safely.
I seem to remember changing batteries often with my K200d, but my K50 has been blissfully free of such a problem. However, I also had a grip for my K200d (bought it, flash new & grip was "free" in 2008!) and I tried to get the camera to use grip batteries first, so that may have been part of the problem. Unfortunately the camera was out of warranty by the time I realized a pin in the grip connector was broken and the likely cause of my troubles.
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Originally posted by severalsnakes . . . The Wasabi brand spares are king, as far as I'm concerned, and the Wasabi chargers are waaaaaay better than the Pentax charger. The Wasabi chargers have fold-away prongs, a red/green indicator light for not charged/charged, AND the cradle of the charger pops off so you can interchange it with other Wasabi chargers. So, when I go on a trip and take my MX-1, Sony WX350, and K-S2/K-30, I take one Wasabi charger and the three separate cradles for each battery type. It saves a lot of space in my camera gear backpack. :-)
Well, it's good to have a recommendation about a non-OEM Li-Ion battery. So many proprietary things go on in Li-Ion batteries that I'm always skeptical of aftermarket replacements, usually spending ridiculous money for the OEM brand. It's really sad that many companies can't take 5 minutes to think about how you use a charger and what it should do to help you take more photographs. I understand (and applaud) Wasabi's desire to build a better mouse trap, but I'm saddened that Pentax, like most other camera manufacturers, didn't choose to spend more time developing a charger that they've included with ten or more different cameras and shipped to thousands of users.
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Originally posted by AquaDome Most electronic devices "hate" rechargeable AA and AAA batteries because they don't put out the same voltage as regular alkaline batteries.
Not so much any more. Devices that "hate" rechargeables are usually either really cheap or really low draw. Most devices I've seen recently that use lots of juice actually prefer or recommend NiMH simply because the lower internal resistance gives them longer run times despite the initial open-circuit voltage.