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08-17-2016, 02:21 PM   #31
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Preemptive Deviewing is once again called for.

already there..... done and done....

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Why? Next thing to ask is the touch screen!... I cant wait to change settings with my face
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QuoteOriginally posted by macman24054 Quote
I have the FX button assigned to focus point select. I push the button, use the rear edial to move the point side to side and the front edial to move it up and down. I push the FX button again and I am back to my usual button and dial functions. My thumb is all I have to move. From the rear edial to the AF button.
Thanks for that, I will try to do that, see how it goes
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
When set up so the 4-Way default is AF point select rather than quick function acces it is actually better than a joystick.
I would definitely prefer this, but I can't see any way to change the default for the 4-way on my K-3II...am I missing something obvious?

As for the original question, I can see that some might prefer it with a joystick and some with a 4-way...and the majority probably not caring that much. Either way I'm a big fan of variety and choice and I loathe conformity and blandness and in part this is why I like Pentax. So I would rather there was something to differentiate the brands rather than being given a choice of 3 clones with different names.

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QuoteOriginally posted by victormeldrew Quote
I would definitely prefer this, but I can't see any way to change the default for the 4-way on my K-3II...am I missing something obvious?
I don't have a K3II. That's the way the K-1 is set up.
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Hmmm unexpected answers.
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What answer do you expect?
I think he wanted more humor. I thought of several, but this site being sort of family-oriented, I thought better of it.


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Not selecting an AF point is way faster than selecting one
The man speaks the truth...


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You are not wrong but the major people will think it's uncomfortable and not efficient.
That major people would be you and...

Sorry to be so direct, but these types of threads are sooooo boorish.


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I do sometimes use focus point selection for off-center compositions of flowers, musicians, moving objects, and the like. Center-focus + recompose does not work for me for some kinds of pictures such as getting a series of tracking-focus shots with a non-centered composition (e.g., a moving musician with an in-focus head in the upper part of the frame and instrument/body language in the lower part).

The current 4-button selector is fine for occasional selection among the modest number of AF points. I don't need to change the focus point for every shot. But I can certainly see that if the number of AF point increases, then something different might be nice (joystick or touch pad built into the AF button would be cool). And although I agree that the 4-button selector is a bit hard for the thumb to reach, I can't imagine any change that wouldn't displace other more commonly used buttons. Thus, within the physical constraints of the limited real estate on the back of the camera, Pentax's implementation is good.
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Unlike many of the responses here I would totally LOVE a joystick for controlling the AF points..

Now that I am shooting more paid events I can't afford to screw up on getting things in focus anymore or accidentally changing WB, switching to flash settings, or messing with the color settings. Been there done that.

I don't mind controlling the AF points with the 4 way buttons, sure.. but a joystick would be great for me personally. Center focus and re-compose works too but I still wouldn't mind new ways focusing on moving subjects either..
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QuoteOriginally posted by photoptimist Quote
I do sometimes use focus point selection for off-center compositions of flowers, musicians, moving objects, and the like. Center-focus + recompose does not work for me for some kinds of pictures such as getting a series of tracking-focus shots with a non-centered composition (e.g., a moving musician with an in-focus head in the upper part of the frame and instrument/body language in the lower part).

The current 4-button selector is fine for occasional selection among the modest number of AF points. I don't need to change the focus point for every shot. But I can certainly see that if the number of AF point increases, then something different might be nice (joystick or touch pad built into the AF button would be cool). And although I agree that the 4-button selector is a bit hard for the thumb to reach, I can't imagine any change that wouldn't displace other more commonly used buttons. Thus, within the physical constraints of the limited real estate on the back of the camera, Pentax's implementation is good.
Nice balanced response..... quite at odds with some of the unwarranted terseness that seems to be creeping in from time to time in some threads....

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QuoteOriginally posted by Ron_Man Quote
I can't afford to screw up on getting things in focus anymore or accidentally changing WB, switching to flash settings, or messing with the color settings. Been there done that.
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This had happened to me from time to time..... hence why I could see benefit in an intuitive alternate FP select.

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That major people would be you and...

Sorry to be so direct, but these types of threads are sooooo boorish.


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I don't think so. You are not being serious.
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The 4 way controller is neat. The joystick type of control looks like it belongs on an old toy, which I personally do not need. I thank Pentax for not using that type of control on the already tidy K-3II and K-1.
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I don't want a joy stick system either, one push af button a much better way of cycling through af points single and groups via a wheel which is visible on the top lcd and in the viewfinder
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FWIW, I wouldn't want a joystick either.

The eight-way controller works very well for me and I prefer the discrete actions of buttons over the time-dependent behaviour of a joystick. A joystick that allowed a single step (through a small angular actuation) and continuous movement (through a large angular actuation) may be best for a large number of AF areas to choose from but for the K-1 such a design would be overkill and would require a current control element to be moved. I wouldn't want that (nor would I need more AF areas).
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