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**UncleVanya** · 11-17-2016, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

I seldom shoot JPEG, but when I have, that has not been my experience.

Seeing the full spread of images on the video, I was surprised at how close the cameras were to each other. As mentioned above, I generally shoot RAW, but in one specific situation, the in-camera JPEG was superior to what I could do with the RAW in Lightroom. See below from the K10D:

No out-of-camera processing.

Steve

Superb!

**Mikesul** · 11-17-2016, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Bad? As noted on the video, it is mostly a matter of taste.

Steve

Yes. Use of the term "pleasing" is the key. A completely meaningless term except to the one being pleased.

**goatsNdonkey** · 11-17-2016, 03:16 PM

We had this conversation overlapping some of the same issues earlier this year. It started from the premise that participants did sometimes use in camera jpgs, whether or not it was their preferred mode.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/6-pentax-dslr-discussion/325362-who-gets-...her-times.html

Reading through these posts made me realize that I always feel like I need to know of, and have in the kitchen cabinet, a good brand of instant coffee.

stevebrot · 11-17-2016, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by goatsNdonkey

Reading through these posts made me realize that I always feel like I need to know of, and have in the kitchen cabinet, a good brand of instant coffee.

Starbucks Via.

Steve

**goatsNdonkey** · 11-17-2016, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Starbucks Via.

Steve

Nescafe Classico isn't bad. I get this instant coffee appreciation from my dad, who - if he wanted coffee - he HAD TO have it as soon as water could be coaxed to boil. I like a fancy coffee now and again, but I'd rather spend the money on another lens.

surfar · 11-17-2016, 04:43 PM

Instant JPEG flavoured coffee, now thered be a market for that!

**goatsNdonkey** · 11-17-2016, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Instant JPEG flavoured coffee, now thered be a market for that!

I prefer mine "natural," not "vivid," too.

stevebrot · 11-17-2016, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by goatsNdonkey

I prefer mine "natural," not "vivid," too.

Cross-processed for me

Stece

wildman · 11-18-2016, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Bad? As noted on the video, it is mostly a matter of taste.Steve

What jumped out at me was the narrow source of opinion of what was "bad" or "good" so far as the aesthetics of tone and color is concerned.
As far as I could tell his source of opinion was confined to people narrowly involved in photography in the technical sense.

It would have been interesting to know the opinion of an art class learning, for instance, traditional oil painting technique.

ccc_ · 11-18-2016, 06:39 AM - **2 Likes**

I liked his "review"
primarily because he was upfront about it being a subjective small sample appraisal of the viewers' image preference

everybody likes what they like and that is as it should be

I have always thought it mattered more what I liked
other opinions are interesting but not necessary

a person should create for themselves not a consensus

as far as jpegs go...pentax seems to have made a qualitative shift after the k01

my ooc jpegs from the k01 need almost no post

however the jpegs from my k50 and k3s thrive in post
out of camera they tend to be pleasant but bland
but are excellent material for enhancement

Crust · 11-18-2016, 07:32 AM

CCC, That's exactly what I'm strugglinh with the K-01 jpegs were wonderful.. My K-70 jpegs seem... Lackluster. I started another thread to see what setting others were using as it could be I that I haven't found the right settings yet.

ccc_ · 11-18-2016, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Crust

CCC, That's exactly what I'm strugglinh with the K-01 jpegs were wonderful.. My K-70 jpegs seem... Lackluster. I started another thread to see what setting others were using as it could be I that I haven't found the right settings yet.

crust-

I haven't been able to either
I just set my bodies back to their default settings

it seems that contrast is the key
often the color i'm wanting follows on

certain images seem overexposed to my eye

at any rate the pictures i'm going to use immediately are run through post and I get what I want (usually)

Crust · 11-18-2016, 08:51 AM

Thanks, but that's a bummer as I was hoping I could save a lot of time by staying with my existing photo processing flow.

**Rondec** · 11-18-2016, 09:52 AM

These are just some snaps with in camera jpeg, but I thought they were pretty decent quality. Would they have been better with RAW and post processing? Maybe so, but I was on vacation and didn't want to spend too much time processing images after this trip.

AldaCZ · 11-19-2016, 10:17 AM

Try to turn on clarity-enhancement

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11-17-2016, 01:13 PM	#46
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,468	Originally posted by stevebrot I seldom shoot JPEG, but when I have, that has not been my experience. Seeing the full spread of images on the video, I was surprised at how close the cameras were to each other. As mentioned above, I generally shoot RAW, but in one specific situation, the in-camera JPEG was superior to what I could do with the RAW in Lightroom. See below from the K10D: No out-of-camera processing. Steve Superb!

11-17-2016, 01:17 PM	#47
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	Originally posted by stevebrot Bad? As noted on the video, it is mostly a matter of taste. Steve Yes. Use of the term "pleasing" is the key. A completely meaningless term except to the one being pleased.

11-17-2016, 03:16 PM	#48
goatsNdonkey Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Fulton County, Illinois Posts: 3,736	We had this conversation overlapping some of the same issues earlier this year. It started from the premise that participants did sometimes use in camera jpgs, whether or not it was their preferred mode. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/6-pentax-dslr-discussion/325362-who-gets-...her-times.html Reading through these posts made me realize that I always feel like I need to know of, and have in the kitchen cabinet, a good brand of instant coffee.

11-17-2016, 04:27 PM	#49
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by goatsNdonkey Reading through these posts made me realize that I always feel like I need to know of, and have in the kitchen cabinet, a good brand of instant coffee. Starbucks Via. Steve

11-17-2016, 04:40 PM	#50
goatsNdonkey Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Fulton County, Illinois Posts: 3,736	Originally posted by stevebrot Starbucks Via. Steve Nescafe Classico isn't bad. I get this instant coffee appreciation from my dad, who - if he wanted coffee - he HAD TO have it as soon as water could be coaxed to boil. I like a fancy coffee now and again, but I'd rather spend the money on another lens.

11-17-2016, 04:43 PM	#51
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,147	Instant JPEG flavoured coffee, now thered be a market for that!

11-17-2016, 06:00 PM	#52
goatsNdonkey Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Fulton County, Illinois Posts: 3,736	Originally posted by surfar Instant JPEG flavoured coffee, now thered be a market for that! I prefer mine "natural," not "vivid," too.

11-17-2016, 07:18 PM	#53
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by goatsNdonkey I prefer mine "natural," not "vivid," too. Cross-processed for me Stece

11-18-2016, 06:11 AM	#54
wildman Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flyover America Posts: 4,469	Originally posted by stevebrot Bad? As noted on the video, it is mostly a matter of taste.Steve What jumped out at me was the narrow source of opinion of what was "bad" or "good" so far as the aesthetics of tone and color is concerned. As far as I could tell his source of opinion was confined to people narrowly involved in photography in the technical sense. It would have been interesting to know the opinion of an art class learning, for instance, traditional oil painting technique.

11-18-2016, 06:39 AM - 2 Likes	#55
ccc_ Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,400	I liked his "review" primarily because he was upfront about it being a subjective small sample appraisal of the viewers' image preference everybody likes what they like and that is as it should be I have always thought it mattered more what I liked other opinions are interesting but not necessary a person should create for themselves not a consensus as far as jpegs go...pentax seems to have made a qualitative shift after the k01 my ooc jpegs from the k01 need almost no post however the jpegs from my k50 and k3s thrive in post out of camera they tend to be pleasant but bland but are excellent material for enhancement

11-18-2016, 07:32 AM	#56
Crust Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 54	CCC, That's exactly what I'm strugglinh with the K-01 jpegs were wonderful.. My K-70 jpegs seem... Lackluster. I started another thread to see what setting others were using as it could be I that I haven't found the right settings yet.

11-18-2016, 08:03 AM	#57
ccc_ Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,400	Originally posted by Crust CCC, That's exactly what I'm strugglinh with the K-01 jpegs were wonderful.. My K-70 jpegs seem... Lackluster. I started another thread to see what setting others were using as it could be I that I haven't found the right settings yet. crust- I haven't been able to either I just set my bodies back to their default settings it seems that contrast is the key often the color i'm wanting follows on certain images seem overexposed to my eye at any rate the pictures i'm going to use immediately are run through post and I get what I want (usually)

11-18-2016, 08:51 AM	#58
Crust Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 54	Thanks, but that's a bummer as I was hoping I could save a lot of time by staying with my existing photo processing flow.

11-18-2016, 09:52 AM	#59
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,666	These are just some snaps with in camera jpeg, but I thought they were pretty decent quality. Would they have been better with RAW and post processing? Maybe so, but I was on vacation and didn't want to spend too much time processing images after this trip.

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