Why not have a camera which is configurable from a smartphone?

surfar · 12-07-2016, 08:24 PM

The Samsung NX galaxy is such a camera(referring to the post about K1 with Android built in)....or was.Apsc mirrorless,20mp stills and pretty standard video,Its best described as a cross between the initial connected Sammy Galaxy camera and the NX30.

A K1 along those lines, will be waiting a LONG time.

**beachgardener** · 12-08-2016, 03:27 PM

To answer o.p. in a word. "emm, No".

peterh337 · 12-09-2016, 04:14 AM

"The Nokia Lumia flagships used an updated version of that camera. They had a hump."

Sure; but that was still the max thickness of the phone.

Regarding the image quality, I don't know how they tested it but the 808 totally outclasses every other smartphone to date especially the S6 and S7 which I own. I used a 3rd party app which took the 40MP raw image and downsized it to 12MP, and produced stunning and very natural-colour images. The stock app had a limit on the jpeg quality, producing ~3MB jpegs but the other app produced ~10MB images which in good light were good enough to avoid a DSLR most of the time. I simply didn't carry a DSLR anymore when I had the 808, except for airborne use when you need a fast shutter etc.

The camera suffered from focus delays and general unreliability of focus, but most phones have that problem. The S7 solves it pretty well by having the extra "focus pixels" spread around the 12MP sensor but it oversaturates and oversharpens. Also 3rd party camera app vendors claim that the camera API cripples the resolution available to them, which is probably why there is no worthwhile 3rd party camera app for the S7.

Video performance was par for the era (2012) so not good enough for today. What killed the 808 was the old OS and commercial issues surrounding Nokia and what the High Street outlets would carry. I got rid of mine only because there was no browser modern enough to work with some websites I need for aviation weather, etc.

**clackers** · 12-09-2016, 05:16 AM

Originally posted by peterh337

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Regarding the image quality, I don't know how they tested it but the 808 totally outclasses every other smartphone to date especially the S6 and S7 which I own. .

Well, I understand you believe that, Peter, since it's the second time you've said it, but professional testers measuring resolution, dynamic range and colour tones say differently. :-)

Last edited by clackers; 12-09-2016 at 05:35 AM.

**UncleVanya** · 12-09-2016, 07:38 AM

The new moto x has a hasselblad camera module.

Hasselblad True Zoom Moto Mod hands-on preview: Digital Photography Review

peterh337 · 12-09-2016, 11:26 AM

Clackers - as I said I used a different camera app to the stock one.

That Moto Z camera phone is not going to succeed, IMHO. Too big...

**clackers** · 12-09-2016, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by peterh337

Clackers - as I said I used a different camera app to the stock one....

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DXOMark work with RAW where possible, Peter.

They have their own image processing software, it's what they do.

This means the comparisons can be valid.

nicolpa47 · 12-09-2016, 03:52 PM

I can't see the point of this idea. There's already far too many things on most phones and the human interface is, in my view, far too limited and imprecise.

As to the specifics of the Pentax Camera menus, I have 3 cameras and mainly now use 2 - K30/K50. My wife has a Nikon bridge camera, and I know I prefer the Pentax layout to that on the Nikon - particularly when allowing for the fact that the Nikon menus should be easier to navigate as there's less to change.

Colin

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12-07-2016, 08:24 PM	#31
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,142	The Samsung NX galaxy is such a camera(referring to the post about K1 with Android built in)....or was.Apsc mirrorless,20mp stills and pretty standard video,Its best described as a cross between the initial connected Sammy Galaxy camera and the NX30. A K1 along those lines, will be waiting a LONG time.

12-08-2016, 03:27 PM	#32
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	To answer o.p. in a word. "emm, No".

12-09-2016, 04:14 AM	#33
peterh337 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London Posts: 573 Original Poster	"The Nokia Lumia flagships used an updated version of that camera. They had a hump." Sure; but that was still the max thickness of the phone. Regarding the image quality, I don't know how they tested it but the 808 totally outclasses every other smartphone to date especially the S6 and S7 which I own. I used a 3rd party app which took the 40MP raw image and downsized it to 12MP, and produced stunning and very natural-colour images. The stock app had a limit on the jpeg quality, producing ~3MB jpegs but the other app produced ~10MB images which in good light were good enough to avoid a DSLR most of the time. I simply didn't carry a DSLR anymore when I had the 808, except for airborne use when you need a fast shutter etc. The camera suffered from focus delays and general unreliability of focus, but most phones have that problem. The S7 solves it pretty well by having the extra "focus pixels" spread around the 12MP sensor but it oversaturates and oversharpens. Also 3rd party camera app vendors claim that the camera API cripples the resolution available to them, which is probably why there is no worthwhile 3rd party camera app for the S7. Video performance was par for the era (2012) so not good enough for today. What killed the 808 was the old OS and commercial issues surrounding Nokia and what the High Street outlets would carry. I got rid of mine only because there was no browser modern enough to work with some websites I need for aviation weather, etc.

12-09-2016, 05:16 AM	#34
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by peterh337 . Regarding the image quality, I don't know how they tested it but the 808 totally outclasses every other smartphone to date especially the S6 and S7 which I own. . Well, I understand you believe that, Peter, since it's the second time you've said it, but professional testers measuring resolution, dynamic range and colour tones say differently. :-) Last edited by clackers; 12-09-2016 at 05:35 AM.

12-09-2016, 07:38 AM	#35
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,445	The new moto x has a hasselblad camera module. Hasselblad True Zoom Moto Mod hands-on preview: Digital Photography Review

12-09-2016, 11:26 AM	#36
peterh337 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London Posts: 573 Original Poster	Clackers - as I said I used a different camera app to the stock one. That Moto Z camera phone is not going to succeed, IMHO. Too big...

12-09-2016, 12:47 PM	#37
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by peterh337 Clackers - as I said I used a different camera app to the stock one.... ? DXOMark work with RAW where possible, Peter. They have their own image processing software, it's what they do. This means the comparisons can be valid.

12-09-2016, 03:52 PM	#38
nicolpa47 Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2016 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,034	I can't see the point of this idea. There's already far too many things on most phones and the human interface is, in my view, far too limited and imprecise. As to the specifics of the Pentax Camera menus, I have 3 cameras and mainly now use 2 - K30/K50. My wife has a Nikon bridge camera, and I know I prefer the Pentax layout to that on the Nikon - particularly when allowing for the fact that the Nikon menus should be easier to navigate as there's less to change. Colin