Aren't we about due for a K3II upgrade.

MikeD · 12-08-2016, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Not a Number

Why settle for 4k video when 8k is available?

Well, because decent 4k would be a stretch for Pentax and would catch them up with Sony and Canon and the human eye probably can't even see 8k. Unless you are being sarcastic.

DeadJohn · 12-08-2016, 09:41 AM

Is there a new Sony sensor available? If the K-3 Mark2 24mp sensor hasn't been upgraded by Sony, would a K-3 Mark3 with that same sensor offer enough for people to upgrade? I think the pixel war is over but more dynamic range and lower noise are always welcome.

Not a Number · 12-08-2016, 09:43 AM

Here we go: run it through Google translate and in the section on Pixel Shift the Ricoh engineer says motion correction is included (and always on) in the K-3ii

???????????????????????????PENTAX K-1 - ???? Watch Watch

house · 12-08-2016, 10:02 AM

Motion correction is a post processing step. Any limitation is for in camera development only.

bdery · 12-08-2016, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by MikeD

I need a tilt screen, KI style pixel shift, and better video 4k. Everything else about the K3II is acceptable even though I have other things on my wish list. .

Have you seen the K-70?

Originally posted by JeffB

Please, no tilt screen.

That's the feature I most enjoy from the K-1, when compared with the K-3. I'm willing to live with the larger size because I love the tilt screen so much.

Originally posted by JeffB

Tilt screen usefulness is pretty much limited to "live-view" and that implementation on SLR is rather poor.

I completely disagree. With older, screw-drive lenses AF is poor, but with modern lenses having a DSLR with live view or having a mirrorless is identical.

john5100 · 12-08-2016, 11:06 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by bdery

Have you seen the K-70?

That's the feature I most enjoy from the K-1, when compared with the K-3. I'm willing to live with the larger size because I love the tilt screen so much.

I completely disagree. With older, screw-drive lenses AF is poor, but with modern lenses having a DSLR with live view or having a mirrorless is identical.

Good call on the K70

These are without a tilt screen however it would have been easier

Mushroom Hunting by John Rudolph, on Flickr

MikeD · 12-08-2016, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by JeffB

If you want a tilt screen, mirrorless is clearly the way to go. Tilt screen usefulness is pretty much limited to "live-view" and that implementation on SLR is rather poor. MIrrorless is live-view all the time.

What Norm said.
And it seems like he was able to overcome the weakness of the "live view" (really nice mushroom Norm) This type of shooting and shooting over things as well as when I have my tripod all the way up are why I need the tilt screen (I'm 6'3" but still sometimes can't see the back or the screen or through the view finder when my tripod is fully extended)

---------- Post added 12-08-2016 at 02:20 PM ----------

Originally posted by Not a Number

Here we go: run it through Google translate and in the section on Pixel Shift the Ricoh engineer says motion correction is included (and always on) in the K-3ii

???????????????????????????PENTAX K-1 - ???? Watch Watch

There must have been a firmware update, because the first time motion correction was mentioned was with the K1.

---------- Post added 12-08-2016 at 02:27 PM ----------

Originally posted by bdery

Have you seen the K-70?

That's the feature I most enjoy from the K-1, when compared with the K-3. I'm willing to live with the larger size because I love the tilt screen so much.

I completely disagree. With older, screw-drive lenses AF is poor, but with modern lenses having a DSLR with live view or having a mirrorless is identical.

K-70 burst rate too slow 6 fps if I didn't need K3 or better burst rate I'd go right to the K1 that's the "ONLY" thing keeping me from getting the K1, well that and my 60-250 which I love (I think Norm or someone else here can fix the 60-250 for FF)

**Kerrowdown** · 12-08-2016, 12:20 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MikeD

Aren't we about due for a K3II upgrade.

Is that not the K1, he says as he ducks...

**lithedreamer** · 12-08-2016, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by MikeD

Well, because decent 4k would be a stretch for Pentax and would catch them up with Sony and Canon and the human eye probably can't even see 8k. Unless you are being sarcastic.

4K lets you crop significantly and still get 1080p, nice when you're doing video of yourself or don't have a skilled cameraman helping you. The claim about the human eye not seeing 8k doesn't sound right to me, but I'll gladly take some more cropping power in post.

JPT · 12-08-2016, 04:14 PM

I'm sure Ricoh will make a K-3 ii successor in 2017, but doubt it will be the first camera released.

With the the K-S1, Q-S1 and MX-1 gone or going, the K-S2 is now the smallest general purpose camera that Ricoh sells, and that is over 1kg with the kit lens. I just can't believe that will continue to be the case for long.

It'll be interesting to see what they come out with.
- An advanced compact?
- A smaller K-mount DSLR?
- Another K-mount mirrorless?
- A mirrorless with a new mount?
- Revive the Q?
- Revive the GXR?

When you look at the lineup, it's the most obvious gap, and a market that is very popular in Japan and the rest of Asia. So I think we will see something that area at CP+.

I think the top of the range APS-C camera is waiting for a new generation sensor. In the meantime, the K-3 ii has almost all of the features the K-1, and it's in plentiful supply.

reh321 · 12-08-2016, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by JeffB

Please, no tilt screen. Adds size, weight and complexity. Size and weight pain me now. Complexity pains me later when it breaks.

What makes you think it will break?? My brother bought a Canon camera with an articulated screen and was constantly adjusting the screen position. The camera seems to be finally dying, but as far as I can tell, the articulated screen never failed him. Presumably Pentax strress-tested their new tilt mechanism; there is no reason to believe it is a weak link either.

JeffB · 12-08-2016, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by bdery

With older, screw-drive lenses AF is poor, but with modern lenses having a DSLR with live view or having a mirrorless is identical.

I'm not clear how screw drive AF is related to live view. Could you please elaborate?

**squareeyes** · 12-08-2016, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by JeffB

I'm not clear how screw drive AF is related to live view. Could you please elaborate?

Contrast auto focus is slow and screw drive hunting can take a verrrry long time.

amp · 12-08-2016, 07:13 PM

K3ii successor? That's a good question. I sold one on my k3's with the thought of putting it towards the k1. Now I'm wondering if I should wait for a new aps-c flagship? How much could they take from the k1 without siphoning sales? To wait, impatiently, or not to wait?

bdery · 12-09-2016, 05:56 AM

Originally posted by MikeD

K-70 burst rate too slow 6 fps if I didn't need K3 or better burst rate I'd go right to the K1 that's the "ONLY" thing keeping me from getting the K1

I gotta ask, why is such a burst rate necessary?

Originally posted by MikeD

60-250 which I love (I think Norm or someone else here can fix the 60-250 for FF)

You can do it yourself. I'm close to doing it myself, I'm mostly convinced the risk is nil, I have to find the time and courage.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/304092-da-60-250-mod-ff-7.html

12-08-2016, 11:06 AM - 1 Like	#21
john5100 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,725	Originally posted by bdery Have you seen the K-70? That's the feature I most enjoy from the K-1, when compared with the K-3. I'm willing to live with the larger size because I love the tilt screen so much. I completely disagree. With older, screw-drive lenses AF is poor, but with modern lenses having a DSLR with live view or having a mirrorless is identical. Good call on the K70 These are without a tilt screen however it would have been easier Mushroom Hunting by John Rudolph, on Flickr Mushroom Hunting by John Rudolph, on Flickr

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12-08-2016, 09:40 AM	#16
MikeD Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: traverse city MI Posts: 346 Original Poster	Originally posted by Not a Number Why settle for 4k video when 8k is available? Well, because decent 4k would be a stretch for Pentax and would catch them up with Sony and Canon and the human eye probably can't even see 8k. Unless you are being sarcastic.

12-08-2016, 09:41 AM	#17
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,834	Is there a new Sony sensor available? If the K-3 Mark2 24mp sensor hasn't been upgraded by Sony, would a K-3 Mark3 with that same sensor offer enough for people to upgrade? I think the pixel war is over but more dynamic range and lower noise are always welcome.

12-08-2016, 09:43 AM	#18
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Here we go: run it through Google translate and in the section on Pixel Shift the Ricoh engineer says motion correction is included (and always on) in the K-3ii ???????????????????????????PENTAX K-1 - ???? Watch Watch

12-08-2016, 10:02 AM	#19
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Motion correction is a post processing step. Any limitation is for in camera development only.

12-08-2016, 10:30 AM	#20
bdery Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Quebec city, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,357	Originally posted by MikeD I need a tilt screen, KI style pixel shift, and better video 4k. Everything else about the K3II is acceptable even though I have other things on my wish list. . Have you seen the K-70? Originally posted by JeffB Please, no tilt screen. That's the feature I most enjoy from the K-1, when compared with the K-3. I'm willing to live with the larger size because I love the tilt screen so much. Originally posted by JeffB Tilt screen usefulness is pretty much limited to "live-view" and that implementation on SLR is rather poor. I completely disagree. With older, screw-drive lenses AF is poor, but with modern lenses having a DSLR with live view or having a mirrorless is identical.

12-08-2016, 11:12 AM	#22
MikeD Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: traverse city MI Posts: 346 Original Poster	Originally posted by JeffB If you want a tilt screen, mirrorless is clearly the way to go. Tilt screen usefulness is pretty much limited to "live-view" and that implementation on SLR is rather poor. MIrrorless is live-view all the time. What Norm said. And it seems like he was able to overcome the weakness of the "live view" (really nice mushroom Norm) This type of shooting and shooting over things as well as when I have my tripod all the way up are why I need the tilt screen (I'm 6'3" but still sometimes can't see the back or the screen or through the view finder when my tripod is fully extended) ---------- Post added 12-08-2016 at 02:20 PM ---------- Originally posted by Not a Number Here we go: run it through Google translate and in the section on Pixel Shift the Ricoh engineer says motion correction is included (and always on) in the K-3ii ???????????????????????????PENTAX K-1 - ???? Watch Watch There must have been a firmware update, because the first time motion correction was mentioned was with the K1. ---------- Post added 12-08-2016 at 02:27 PM ---------- Originally posted by bdery Have you seen the K-70? That's the feature I most enjoy from the K-1, when compared with the K-3. I'm willing to live with the larger size because I love the tilt screen so much. I completely disagree. With older, screw-drive lenses AF is poor, but with modern lenses having a DSLR with live view or having a mirrorless is identical. K-70 burst rate too slow 6 fps if I didn't need K3 or better burst rate I'd go right to the K1 that's the "ONLY" thing keeping me from getting the K1, well that and my 60-250 which I love (I think Norm or someone else here can fix the 60-250 for FF)

12-08-2016, 12:20 PM - 1 Like	#23
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,819	Originally posted by MikeD Aren't we about due for a K3II upgrade. Is that not the K1, he says as he ducks...

12-08-2016, 03:47 PM	#24
lithedreamer Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,799	Originally posted by MikeD Well, because decent 4k would be a stretch for Pentax and would catch them up with Sony and Canon and the human eye probably can't even see 8k. Unless you are being sarcastic. 4K lets you crop significantly and still get 1080p, nice when you're doing video of yourself or don't have a skilled cameraman helping you. The claim about the human eye not seeing 8k doesn't sound right to me, but I'll gladly take some more cropping power in post.

12-08-2016, 04:14 PM	#25
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	I'm sure Ricoh will make a K-3 ii successor in 2017, but doubt it will be the first camera released. With the the K-S1, Q-S1 and MX-1 gone or going, the K-S2 is now the smallest general purpose camera that Ricoh sells, and that is over 1kg with the kit lens. I just can't believe that will continue to be the case for long. It'll be interesting to see what they come out with. - An advanced compact? - A smaller K-mount DSLR? - Another K-mount mirrorless? - A mirrorless with a new mount? - Revive the Q? - Revive the GXR? When you look at the lineup, it's the most obvious gap, and a market that is very popular in Japan and the rest of Asia. So I think we will see something that area at CP+. I think the top of the range APS-C camera is waiting for a new generation sensor. In the meantime, the K-3 ii has almost all of the features the K-1, and it's in plentiful supply.

12-08-2016, 04:22 PM	#26
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by JeffB Please, no tilt screen. Adds size, weight and complexity. Size and weight pain me now. Complexity pains me later when it breaks. What makes you think it will break?? My brother bought a Canon camera with an articulated screen and was constantly adjusting the screen position. The camera seems to be finally dying, but as far as I can tell, the articulated screen never failed him. Presumably Pentax strress-tested their new tilt mechanism; there is no reason to believe it is a weak link either.

12-08-2016, 06:40 PM	#27
JeffB Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: 'Merica! Posts: 209	Originally posted by bdery With older, screw-drive lenses AF is poor, but with modern lenses having a DSLR with live view or having a mirrorless is identical. I'm not clear how screw drive AF is related to live view. Could you please elaborate?

12-08-2016, 07:01 PM	#28
squareeyes Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 189	Originally posted by JeffB I'm not clear how screw drive AF is related to live view. Could you please elaborate? Contrast auto focus is slow and screw drive hunting can take a verrrry long time.

12-08-2016, 07:13 PM	#29
amp Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 168	K3ii successor? That's a good question. I sold one on my k3's with the thought of putting it towards the k1. Now I'm wondering if I should wait for a new aps-c flagship? How much could they take from the k1 without siphoning sales? To wait, impatiently, or not to wait?

12-09-2016, 05:56 AM	#30
bdery Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Quebec city, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,357	Originally posted by MikeD K-70 burst rate too slow 6 fps if I didn't need K3 or better burst rate I'd go right to the K1 that's the "ONLY" thing keeping me from getting the K1 I gotta ask, why is such a burst rate necessary? Originally posted by MikeD 60-250 which I love (I think Norm or someone else here can fix the 60-250 for FF) You can do it yourself. I'm close to doing it myself, I'm mostly convinced the risk is nil, I have to find the time and courage. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/304092-da-60-250-mod-ff-7.html