Will Ricoh continue with APS

surfar · 12-26-2016, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by peterh337

the poor quality of the mirrorless viewfinders

Which ones have you used? Which ones have you owned?

**lithedreamer** · 12-26-2016, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Which ones have you used? Which ones have you owned?

I've used the XPro2's EVF and was disappointed. How does that compare to cameras you've tried/owned?

surfar · 12-26-2016, 07:00 PM

Ive never tried that one or owned it.The Xpro1 viewfinder was optical and electronic but I use its ;little bro the Xe1.

also own NX10/ NX30 and Olympus(only a bridge camera)...

View finders serve a purpose and are essential for people who cant use liveview...which I use mostly.

**clackers** · 12-27-2016, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by lithedreamer

I've used the XPro2's EVF and was disappointed. How does that compare to cameras you've tried/owned?

Nearly all the EVFs are made by Epson, IIRC.

surfar · 12-27-2016, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by lithedreamer

the XPro2's EVF

I don't know very much about that viewfinder, but its a hybrid optical/electronic too....and theres a few adjustment levels.Perhaps the settings didn't suit your eyesight?...theres plenty of info over on the Fuji forum..

**lithedreamer** · 12-27-2016, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by surfar

I don't know very much about that viewfinder, but its a hybrid optical/electronic too....and theres a few adjustment levels.Perhaps the settings didn't suit your eyesight?...theres plenty of info over on the Fuji forum..

Maybe? The OVF isn't 100%, it's 92%, which really bothers me. The EVF felt just a touch too slow to refresh.

surfar · 12-27-2016, 02:20 AM

Some of the Fuji owners have criticism of it too...I wont own one because I like the XE style, so will never experience what its like.

peterh337 · 12-27-2016, 11:43 AM

"Which ones have you used? Which ones have you owned?"

I tried all the ones in the shops. They were awful. Plus I have used the one on my son's A7 (the $1000 A7). Of course, they "work" but nothing gets close the image in the K3 or the K1. But that is "just technology". They will keep improving. I think the limit is how many pixels you can pack into a small LCD... the same issue limits virtual reality goggles but VR is a big driver for LCDs.

emalvick · 12-27-2016, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

P.S. I'm aware that special lenses could protrude inside the mount and reclaim part of that unused space; this isn't ideal either. I believe that would put limits on the protruding elements' diameter.

And of course, if they did that, we'd have someone who'd accidentally put those special k-mount lenses onto a dSLR and break mirror/shutter mechanism.

redrockcoulee · 12-27-2016, 02:01 PM

I am staying with Pentax APS-C. Cannot see Ricoh not doing so in the medium term.

surfar · 12-27-2016, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by peterh337

I tried all the ones in the shops. They were awful

That's very specific, you must have tried every EVF known to mankind and found them "awful"...but they "work"?

**monochrome** · 12-27-2016, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by emalvick

And of course, if they did that, we'd have someone who'd accidentally put those special k-mount lenses onto a dSLR and break mirror/shutter mechanism.

All Pentax would need to do is make a pin on XS lenses and a corresponding slot on the MILC K-mount to prevent that.

XS lenses then are not compatible with traditional K-mount cameras, but traditional K-mount lenses are compatible with MILC K-mount cameras.

**Clarkey** · 12-27-2016, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by lithedreamer

Ricoh doesn't currently make any electronic viewfinders, do they? I'd like to see them get some practice, before they need to jump ship, however far in the future that may be.

Agreed. A good place to start would be the GR. I'd buy one in a heartbeart.

bobmaxja · 12-27-2016, 08:31 PM

Sony will not eat lunch of anybody as pass can prove it: Beta vhs!!, Walkman, PC, Cell phone, TV. Sony is a great company but to survive they produce ton of gadget that die rapidly. When the mirrorless trend slow down, they will get out, they need VOLUME.

**lithedreamer** · 12-27-2016, 08:37 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by bobmaxja

Sony will not eat lunch of anybody as pass can prove it: Beta vhs!!, Walkman, PC, Cell phone, TV. Sony is a great company but to survive they produce ton of gadget that die rapidly. When the mirrorless trend slow down, they will get out, they need VOLUME.

Way to cherrypick a company's failures to try and make your point. They wouldn't be around without successful products, too: Playstations, BluRay, excellent camera sensors that nearly everybody including Pentax uses. This is even excluding their movie and record properties.

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12-26-2016, 06:48 PM	#151
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,142	Originally posted by peterh337 the poor quality of the mirrorless viewfinders Which ones have you used? Which ones have you owned?

12-26-2016, 06:53 PM	#152
lithedreamer Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,799	Originally posted by surfar Which ones have you used? Which ones have you owned? I've used the XPro2's EVF and was disappointed. How does that compare to cameras you've tried/owned?

12-26-2016, 07:00 PM	#153
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,142	Ive never tried that one or owned it.The Xpro1 viewfinder was optical and electronic but I use its ;little bro the Xe1. also own NX10/ NX30 and Olympus(only a bridge camera)... View finders serve a purpose and are essential for people who cant use liveview...which I use mostly.

12-27-2016, 01:42 AM	#154
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by lithedreamer I've used the XPro2's EVF and was disappointed. How does that compare to cameras you've tried/owned? Nearly all the EVFs are made by Epson, IIRC.

12-27-2016, 02:10 AM	#155
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,142	Originally posted by lithedreamer the XPro2's EVF I don't know very much about that viewfinder, but its a hybrid optical/electronic too....and theres a few adjustment levels.Perhaps the settings didn't suit your eyesight?...theres plenty of info over on the Fuji forum..

12-27-2016, 02:11 AM	#156
lithedreamer Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,799	Originally posted by surfar I don't know very much about that viewfinder, but its a hybrid optical/electronic too....and theres a few adjustment levels.Perhaps the settings didn't suit your eyesight?...theres plenty of info over on the Fuji forum.. Maybe? The OVF isn't 100%, it's 92%, which really bothers me. The EVF felt just a touch too slow to refresh.

12-27-2016, 02:20 AM	#157
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,142	Some of the Fuji owners have criticism of it too...I wont own one because I like the XE style, so will never experience what its like.

12-27-2016, 11:43 AM	#158
peterh337 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London Posts: 573	"Which ones have you used? Which ones have you owned?" I tried all the ones in the shops. They were awful. Plus I have used the one on my son's A7 (the $1000 A7). Of course, they "work" but nothing gets close the image in the K3 or the K1. But that is "just technology". They will keep improving. I think the limit is how many pixels you can pack into a small LCD... the same issue limits virtual reality goggles but VR is a big driver for LCDs.

12-27-2016, 12:00 PM	#159
emalvick Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Davis, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,642	Originally posted by Kunzite P.S. I'm aware that special lenses could protrude inside the mount and reclaim part of that unused space; this isn't ideal either. I believe that would put limits on the protruding elements' diameter. And of course, if they did that, we'd have someone who'd accidentally put those special k-mount lenses onto a dSLR and break mirror/shutter mechanism.

12-27-2016, 02:01 PM	#160
redrockcoulee Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Medicine Hat Posts: 2,306	I am staying with Pentax APS-C. Cannot see Ricoh not doing so in the medium term.

12-27-2016, 02:49 PM	#161
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,142	Originally posted by peterh337 I tried all the ones in the shops. They were awful That's very specific, you must have tried every EVF known to mankind and found them "awful"...but they "work"?

12-27-2016, 02:57 PM	#162
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by emalvick And of course, if they did that, we'd have someone who'd accidentally put those special k-mount lenses onto a dSLR and break mirror/shutter mechanism. All Pentax would need to do is make a pin on XS lenses and a corresponding slot on the MILC K-mount to prevent that. XS lenses then are not compatible with traditional K-mount cameras, but traditional K-mount lenses are compatible with MILC K-mount cameras.

12-27-2016, 07:05 PM	#163
Clarkey Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brampton, ON, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,456	Originally posted by lithedreamer Ricoh doesn't currently make any electronic viewfinders, do they? I'd like to see them get some practice, before they need to jump ship, however far in the future that may be. Agreed. A good place to start would be the GR. I'd buy one in a heartbeart.

12-27-2016, 08:31 PM	#164
bobmaxja Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Laval, Quebec Canada Posts: 2,171	Sony will not eat lunch of anybody as pass can prove it: Beta vhs!!, Walkman, PC, Cell phone, TV. Sony is a great company but to survive they produce ton of gadget that die rapidly. When the mirrorless trend slow down, they will get out, they need VOLUME.

12-27-2016, 08:37 PM - 1 Like	#165
lithedreamer Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,799	Originally posted by bobmaxja Sony will not eat lunch of anybody as pass can prove it: Beta vhs!!, Walkman, PC, Cell phone, TV. Sony is a great company but to survive they produce ton of gadget that die rapidly. When the mirrorless trend slow down, they will get out, they need VOLUME. Way to cherrypick a company's failures to try and make your point. They wouldn't be around without successful products, too: Playstations, BluRay, excellent camera sensors that nearly everybody including Pentax uses. This is even excluding their movie and record properties.