k10d firmware 1.2

button · 02-16-2007, 03:57 PM

I think the "preview" lever by the power switch should work in the following way:

When in "digital preview" flipping this lever displays histogram data, distributed between 2 screens. The composite histogram should be shown in conjunction with the color histograms, as it currently is on one screen. It should be eliminated on the the other screen and replaced with a vertical row of options as below. Please see attached (crude) JPEG.

1) White balance- make this dial adjustable from 2500-10000K with optional fine tuning, as allowed under the "Fn" menu. No need for "taste" options

2) Saturation, Sharpness, and Contrast- as seen under the "menu" button. Currently, I can't see in real time the effect of adjusting the settings under "menu".

Also, the white balance editor in the JPEG developer under "Fn" should allow for dial adjustable Kelvin settings. As is stands, only the 3 that were chosen in the white balance settings are displayed. Furthermore, the white balance should be Kelvin adjustable in the "Digital Filter" under "menu" when editing JPEGs in camera.

I think that these additions would greatly enhance an already super camera.

John

Attached Images

Photomy · 02-17-2007, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by button

1) White balance- make this dial adjustable from 2500-10000K with optional fine tuning, as allowed under the "Fn" menu. No need for "taste" options John

I have a K10d and do not have a white balance dial. Are you suggesting they add one?

davemdsn · 02-17-2007, 12:29 PM

Dont they pretty much already have this? In the white balance menu you can turn the preview switch and get a digital preview of the setting you have and make adjustments to it. It works no matter which preview mode you are in. I realize that this means hitting the Fn button, but that doesn't seem too difficult. Then again, I didn't think that changing the ISO was very difficult but I sure like the new way even better. Before you know it there won't be a need for the Fn (eff-en) button.

button · 02-17-2007, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by davemdsn

Dont they pretty much already have this? In the white balance menu you can turn the preview switch and get a digital preview of the setting you have and make adjustments to it. It works no matter which preview mode you are in. I realize that this means hitting the Fn button, but that doesn't seem too difficult. Then again, I didn't think that changing the ISO was very difficult but I sure like the new way even better. Before you know it there won't be a need for the Fn (eff-en) button.

True- and as of now, that's how I do it. However, with this addition, those 5 extra button pushes would disappear. You could pick up the camera, turn on the power with the on/off lever, continue to pull the lever to fire the digital preview, and have access to white balance (via the font and back dials) instantly. You wouldn't even have to move your right hand, and the only time you'd even have to look at the LCD screen is to look at your white balance adjustments. This would be huge for those of us who need to set up the shot as fast as possible and don't want to shoot RAW with the thought of fixing everything later. My 4 month old won't listen to me when I tell her to hold still for the camera.

**Lowell Goudge** · 02-17-2007, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by button

True- and as of now, that's how I do it. However, with this addition, those 5 extra button pushes would disappear. You could pick up the camera, turn on the power with the on/off lever, continue to pull the lever to fire the digital preview, and have access to white balance (via the font and back dials) instantly. You wouldn't even have to move your right hand, and the only time you'd even have to look at the LCD screen is to look at your white balance adjustments. This would be huge for those of us who need to set up the shot as fast as possible and don't want to shoot RAW with the thought of fixing everything later. My 4 month old won't listen to me when I tell her to hold still for the camera.

Why not just propose reprogramming onr of the dials, used mostly for Tv or Av, to be color temperature?

this would be possible without any hardware change at all!

benjikan · 02-17-2007, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by button

I think the "preview" lever by the power switch should work in the following way:

When in "digital preview" flipping this lever displays histogram data, distributed between 2 screens. The composite histogram should be shown in conjunction with the color histograms, as it currently is on one screen. It should be eliminated on the the other screen and replaced with a vertical row of options as below. Please see attached (crude) JPEG.

1) White balance- make this dial adjustable from 2500-10000K with optional fine tuning, as allowed under the "Fn" menu. No need for "taste" options

2) Saturation, Sharpness, and Contrast- as seen under the "menu" button. Currently, I can't see in real time the effect of adjusting the settings under "menu".

Also, the white balance editor in the JPEG developer under "Fn" should allow for dial adjustable Kelvin settings. As is stands, only the 3 that were chosen in the white balance settings are displayed. Furthermore, the white balance should be Kelvin adjustable in the "Digital Filter" under "menu" when editing JPEGs in camera.

I think that these additions would greatly enhance an already super camera.

John

Is this your wish list? Or are you saying that there is a firmware 1.2 on line?

Ben

joele · 02-17-2007, 04:46 PM

Wish list..

button · 02-17-2007, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Lowell Goudge

Why not just propose reprogramming onr of the dials, used mostly for Tv or Av, to be color temperature?

this would be possible without any hardware change at all!

That's what I'm basically saying. With a firmware change, these things could happen. Firmware is like a computer's BIOS settings.

Jun Park · 02-18-2007, 06:55 AM

It seems the op's suggestions are based on the assumption that the K10D's display should be used to determine all of the final image settings (color, sharpness, etc.) but I don't think the camera's display is the right tool for the job. My suggestion would be to spend a little time beforehand to determine your preferences for saturation, contrast, etc. and use those settings when you're actually shooting. As for the white balance, remember the K10D has 3 user-defined white balance settings so just use a grey card, coffee filter, etc. and store those white balance settings. All of the final image settings can be stored in the USER mode.

button · 02-18-2007, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by Jun Park

As for the white balance, remember the K10D has 3 user-defined white balance settings so just use a grey card, coffee filter, etc. and store those white balance settings.

I think that this approach is fine if you have the time to do it. However, I don't find that method practical when trying to making an exposure in variable light in less than 5 seconds (such as when my 4 month old daughter is being particularly cute). My approach to WB is to just turn the dials until it looks good on the LCD, anyway. I don't see how this digital preview alteration would hurt anyone's workflow, especially if a "white balance enable/disable" option were placed in the playback menu under "digital preview".

Jun Park · 02-18-2007, 11:02 AM

Most of my paying jobs are for children's parties, so I'm also very familiar with how quickly great moments appear and disappear. What I don't understand is your unwillingness to let the camera set the white balance for you. I've read plenty of people complain about the inaccurate white balance of the K10D but I haven't had any complaints from my clients so far about it. Besides, you can use the camera's "guess" as a starting point and then fine tune it yourself. As for time, I think this would take less time than manually setting the white balance using the screen.

Originally posted by button

I think that this approach is fine if you have the time to do it. However, I don't find that method practical when trying to making an exposure in variable light in less than 5 seconds (such as when my 4 month old daughter is being particularly cute). My approach to WB is to just turn the dials until it looks good on the LCD, anyway. I don't see how this digital preview alteration would hurt anyone's workflow, especially if a "white balance enable/disable" option were placed in the playback menu under "digital preview".

button · 02-18-2007, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Jun Park

What I don't understand is your unwillingness to let the camera set the white balance for you. . . Besides, you can use the camera's "guess" as a starting point and then fine tune it yourself. As for time, I think this would take less time than manually setting the white balance using the screen.

I don't mind the camera guessing for me at all. In fact, I think what you're saying would actually speed things up. To incorporate your comment:

Pull the preview lever to fire the digital preview, with WB set to auto as default for each pull of the lever. Display the actual numerical value of AWB in Kelvin, whatever it is, in the upper corner of the LCD and allow for front/back dial adjustment. This way, if the camera gets it right (or close enough), you're ready to shoot. If it's off, then it probably won't be off by too much, and less dial turning would be required to fix it than would be required to adjust the last manually chosen value. Thanks, Jun, for the input. BTW, nice gallery. How's the weather in Atlanta?

John

Dana G · 02-18-2007, 08:48 PM

I think it's more critical for Pentax to fix the exposure problems with K and M lenses. That should be the first priority.

**Lowell Goudge** · 03-02-2007, 12:31 PM

For all those who are interested about new firmware for the K10D, I asked the question directly to pentax product support by e-mail, using the contact pentax for support option on their web page

Please note the response below:

"As of right now there is no specific firmware update scheduled for that camera but you can keep checking back with us to to if we have one available."

gorfmai · 03-02-2007, 02:39 PM

If you read the fine print on the release for the new SSM lenses, they say they will work to their fullest on a K10D with a firmware update. Does that mean 1.1, otherwise it would sound like another update is not too far off....

02-16-2007, 03:57 PM	#1
button Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 241	k10d firmware 1.2 I think the "preview" lever by the power switch should work in the following way: When in "digital preview" flipping this lever displays histogram data, distributed between 2 screens. The composite histogram should be shown in conjunction with the color histograms, as it currently is on one screen. It should be eliminated on the the other screen and replaced with a vertical row of options as below. Please see attached (crude) JPEG. 1) White balance- make this dial adjustable from 2500-10000K with optional fine tuning, as allowed under the "Fn" menu. No need for "taste" options 2) Saturation, Sharpness, and Contrast- as seen under the "menu" button. Currently, I can't see in real time the effect of adjusting the settings under "menu". Also, the white balance editor in the JPEG developer under "Fn" should allow for dial adjustable Kelvin settings. As is stands, only the 3 that were chosen in the white balance settings are displayed. Furthermore, the white balance should be Kelvin adjustable in the "Digital Filter" under "menu" when editing JPEGs in camera. I think that these additions would greatly enhance an already super camera. John Attached Images

02-17-2007, 03:54 PM	#6
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	Firmware 1.2 Originally posted by button I think the "preview" lever by the power switch should work in the following way: When in "digital preview" flipping this lever displays histogram data, distributed between 2 screens. The composite histogram should be shown in conjunction with the color histograms, as it currently is on one screen. It should be eliminated on the the other screen and replaced with a vertical row of options as below. Please see attached (crude) JPEG. 1) White balance- make this dial adjustable from 2500-10000K with optional fine tuning, as allowed under the "Fn" menu. No need for "taste" options 2) Saturation, Sharpness, and Contrast- as seen under the "menu" button. Currently, I can't see in real time the effect of adjusting the settings under "menu". Also, the white balance editor in the JPEG developer under "Fn" should allow for dial adjustable Kelvin settings. As is stands, only the 3 that were chosen in the white balance settings are displayed. Furthermore, the white balance should be Kelvin adjustable in the "Digital Filter" under "menu" when editing JPEGs in camera. I think that these additions would greatly enhance an already super camera. John Is this your wish list? Or are you saying that there is a firmware 1.2 on line? Ben

02-18-2007, 11:02 AM	#11
Jun Park Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 182	Most of my paying jobs are for children's parties, so I'm also very familiar with how quickly great moments appear and disappear. What I don't understand is your unwillingness to let the camera set the white balance for you. I've read plenty of people complain about the inaccurate white balance of the K10D but I haven't had any complaints from my clients so far about it. Besides, you can use the camera's "guess" as a starting point and then fine tune it yourself. As for time, I think this would take less time than manually setting the white balance using the screen. Originally posted by button I think that this approach is fine if you have the time to do it. However, I don't find that method practical when trying to making an exposure in variable light in less than 5 seconds (such as when my 4 month old daughter is being particularly cute). My approach to WB is to just turn the dials until it looks good on the LCD, anyway. I don't see how this digital preview alteration would hurt anyone's workflow, especially if a "white balance enable/disable" option were placed in the playback menu under "digital preview". Last edited by Jun Park; 02-18-2007 at 11:11 AM. Reason: edit

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02-17-2007, 11:49 AM	#2
Photomy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 174	Originally posted by button 1) White balance- make this dial adjustable from 2500-10000K with optional fine tuning, as allowed under the "Fn" menu. No need for "taste" options John I have a K10d and do not have a white balance dial. Are you suggesting they add one?

02-17-2007, 12:29 PM	#3
davemdsn Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Boise, Idaho Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,413	Dont they pretty much already have this? In the white balance menu you can turn the preview switch and get a digital preview of the setting you have and make adjustments to it. It works no matter which preview mode you are in. I realize that this means hitting the Fn button, but that doesn't seem too difficult. Then again, I didn't think that changing the ISO was very difficult but I sure like the new way even better. Before you know it there won't be a need for the Fn (eff-en) button.

02-17-2007, 03:12 PM	#4
button Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 241 Original Poster	Originally posted by davemdsn Dont they pretty much already have this? In the white balance menu you can turn the preview switch and get a digital preview of the setting you have and make adjustments to it. It works no matter which preview mode you are in. I realize that this means hitting the Fn button, but that doesn't seem too difficult. Then again, I didn't think that changing the ISO was very difficult but I sure like the new way even better. Before you know it there won't be a need for the Fn (eff-en) button. True- and as of now, that's how I do it. However, with this addition, those 5 extra button pushes would disappear. You could pick up the camera, turn on the power with the on/off lever, continue to pull the lever to fire the digital preview, and have access to white balance (via the font and back dials) instantly. You wouldn't even have to move your right hand, and the only time you'd even have to look at the LCD screen is to look at your white balance adjustments. This would be huge for those of us who need to set up the shot as fast as possible and don't want to shoot RAW with the thought of fixing everything later. My 4 month old won't listen to me when I tell her to hold still for the camera.

02-17-2007, 03:35 PM	#5
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,886	Originally posted by button True- and as of now, that's how I do it. However, with this addition, those 5 extra button pushes would disappear. You could pick up the camera, turn on the power with the on/off lever, continue to pull the lever to fire the digital preview, and have access to white balance (via the font and back dials) instantly. You wouldn't even have to move your right hand, and the only time you'd even have to look at the LCD screen is to look at your white balance adjustments. This would be huge for those of us who need to set up the shot as fast as possible and don't want to shoot RAW with the thought of fixing everything later. My 4 month old won't listen to me when I tell her to hold still for the camera. Why not just propose reprogramming onr of the dials, used mostly for Tv or Av, to be color temperature? this would be possible without any hardware change at all!

02-17-2007, 04:46 PM	#7
joele Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,308	Wish list..

02-17-2007, 10:13 PM	#8
button Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 241 Original Poster	Originally posted by Lowell Goudge Why not just propose reprogramming onr of the dials, used mostly for Tv or Av, to be color temperature? this would be possible without any hardware change at all! That's what I'm basically saying. With a firmware change, these things could happen. Firmware is like a computer's BIOS settings.

02-18-2007, 06:55 AM	#9
Jun Park Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 182	It seems the op's suggestions are based on the assumption that the K10D's display should be used to determine all of the final image settings (color, sharpness, etc.) but I don't think the camera's display is the right tool for the job. My suggestion would be to spend a little time beforehand to determine your preferences for saturation, contrast, etc. and use those settings when you're actually shooting. As for the white balance, remember the K10D has 3 user-defined white balance settings so just use a grey card, coffee filter, etc. and store those white balance settings. All of the final image settings can be stored in the USER mode.

02-18-2007, 09:45 AM	#10
button Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 241 Original Poster	Originally posted by Jun Park As for the white balance, remember the K10D has 3 user-defined white balance settings so just use a grey card, coffee filter, etc. and store those white balance settings. I think that this approach is fine if you have the time to do it. However, I don't find that method practical when trying to making an exposure in variable light in less than 5 seconds (such as when my 4 month old daughter is being particularly cute). My approach to WB is to just turn the dials until it looks good on the LCD, anyway. I don't see how this digital preview alteration would hurt anyone's workflow, especially if a "white balance enable/disable" option were placed in the playback menu under "digital preview".

02-18-2007, 12:23 PM	#12
button Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 241 Original Poster	Originally posted by Jun Park What I don't understand is your unwillingness to let the camera set the white balance for you. . . Besides, you can use the camera's "guess" as a starting point and then fine tune it yourself. As for time, I think this would take less time than manually setting the white balance using the screen. I don't mind the camera guessing for me at all. In fact, I think what you're saying would actually speed things up. To incorporate your comment: Pull the preview lever to fire the digital preview, with WB set to auto as default for each pull of the lever. Display the actual numerical value of AWB in Kelvin, whatever it is, in the upper corner of the LCD and allow for front/back dial adjustment. This way, if the camera gets it right (or close enough), you're ready to shoot. If it's off, then it probably won't be off by too much, and less dial turning would be required to fix it than would be required to adjust the last manually chosen value. Thanks, Jun, for the input. BTW, nice gallery. How's the weather in Atlanta? John

02-18-2007, 08:48 PM	#13
Dana G Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Masachusetts Posts: 243	I think it's more critical for Pentax to fix the exposure problems with K and M lenses. That should be the first priority.

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03-02-2007, 12:31 PM	#14
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,886	For all those who are interested about new firmware for the K10D, I asked the question directly to pentax product support by e-mail, using the contact pentax for support option on their web page Please note the response below: "As of right now there is no specific firmware update scheduled for that camera but you can keep checking back with us to to if we have one available."

03-02-2007, 02:39 PM	#15
gorfmai Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 51	If you read the fine print on the release for the new SSM lenses, they say they will work to their fullest on a K10D with a firmware update. Does that mean 1.1, otherwise it would sound like another update is not too far off....