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03-16-2017, 11:56 AM   #46
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IMO compare the D500 with the K3 or K3ii is like apples with oranges.. this cameras are ment do different markets and porpuses.. D500 is an sport camera, fast fps, fast focusing, etc.. K3/K3ii is more a general photography advance DSLR, with a decent fps ( really good when it came out ) and not as bad AF ( not the greatest but not the worst ).. But as i said.. D500 is totally ment to fit in a different market ... you should compare the D7100 or D7200 with the K3.. Even the release price is totally different with this cameras.
D5600 is the sport camera too? There is no any abstract sport camera. D500 is universal DSLR.

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I don't recall a time when Pentax was stylish or edgy ever.
Not even when the Beatles were owners


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D5600 is the sport camera too? There is no any abstract sport camera. D500 is universal DSLR.
Nikonites would disagree with you.

https://nikonites.com/d500/35717-d500-sports.html
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It's hard to understand why Ricoh doesn't invest money in such work of specialists.
I've asked this before, but it bears repeating - were Ricoh a bunch of hapless buffoons before they bought Pentax? I seem to remember that when they were a rival they were something of a threat. It's amazing how Pentax has dragged them down.

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Nikonites would disagree with you.

https://nikonites.com/d500/35717-d500-sports.html
it's a problem of Nikon users
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My Aunt has just bought a D500 - I did tell her lots about the benefits of the Pentax system. She's not a very advanced photographer and years ago had a Nikon film SLR but in recent years has used advanced Sony compacts. Curious about the D500 system I've just been watching some videos on it including this Field Test: Birds In Flight with The Nikon D500 and Ronan Donovan - YouTube

I have to admit that the autofocus performance, burst rate and autofocus point coverage leave both my K1 and K3 trailing in the dust... Now I'm not really an action shooter but occasionally I do want to shoot my daughter playing badminton with friends, or perhaps an airshow or motorsport or birds in flight when we visit a local bird park. I find it frustrating that Pentax seems incapable of keeping up with the competition in this area and am puzzled why they can't.

It's not as if they can't tear open a Nikon D500 to understand what's going on and reverse engineer it. I fail to see why if they can make a camera with 40 cross type focus points they can't make one with 150 cross focus points - surely these things are relatively easy aren't they? Why was the K1 released with no autofocus mode for video when Canon has been offering the facilty for years?

It's no good blaming the lenses either - the 70-200, 150-400, 70-300, 24-70 and 28-105 and 15-30 are all state of the art and often only launched within the last 12 months.

I'm curious why this has proved such a difficult tech problem to solve.

What do others think?

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I'm curious as to the reasons you've changed your point of view from February. What has changed?
"One thing that may reassure you is that the Pentax autofocus system that frequently comes in for criticism is actually superb (indeed world class) in low light. On Saturday I shot a series of promo images for a singer and unfortunately she was running late and had to change for the shoot on location so we were shooting later than planned - much later!! As a result we arrived as the sun was getting very low in the horizon and I was really really worried that the shoot was in jeopardy. We shot 209 images from very late afternoon through sunset and into complete blackness. As the sun went down and into the night we resorted to using a lantern with a tea light to light her face. After the sun went down we shot for quite a while in complete blackness using a wireless strobe and softbox. It was so dark I couldn't see her facial expressions and could barely tell where her eyeball was to lock focus. I was getting seriously worried that I would accidentally leave gear at the location because it was in the middle of the countryside with no nearby street-lighting and it was cloudy so no moon either. The last 30-40 shots were taken in conditions of total black night. The K1 missed focus on 1 out of 209 shots and that might well have been my error in not focussing on the eyeball, but the tip of the nose. I have to say I was utterly astonished. I have never shot anybody in such conditions and I never expected the camera to be able to focus on her at all and yet it was painting her with its green LED autofocus assist light and locking on - truly extraordinary. It was so bloody dark I was resorting to the K1 LED body illumination in order to be able to even see the buttons on the back of the camera!!"
Read more at: Move from Canon to K-1? - Page 3 - PentaxForums.com
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Not even when the Beatles were owners
not to mention David Bailey and Don McCullin et al

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Boxers or Briefs?

I don't recall a time when Pentax was stylish or edgy ever. And I do mean since 1957. Pentax is essentially an optics company that makes competent, conservative cameras on which to mount their lenses. Their statement is the image, not the sexy, polished anodized aluminum body.

My son uses his Canon for his work but he borrows my K-1 and FA77 to take memories of his babies, and that's the absolute truth.
Lol, briefs with cherubs on them. We know Ricoh can do innovative and stylish because that's the Theta. Lord knows why they don't put some of that pezzazz into Pentax. Few would obsess about AF they did because comparing the competition wouldn't matter nearly so much. As the mo, Pentax and AF are a kind of grisly spectator sport.
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I'm hobby photographer. I do most landscape photo. I also tried AF-C with my Pentax K-1 and Pentax smc DA*200/2,8 SDM.
I had about 10-15% of poorly focused photos, it's not so bad.







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Pentax isn't on store shelves because at the price we're willing to pay there isn't enough profit to justify shelf space.
Wrong, it's mostly a volume problem. Moving zero units in a month isn't going to get a place like Best Buy to carry stock regardless of the theoretical profit on a future sale. 0 units sold = 0 profit.

Given the current market, I am not criticizing Ricoh for not launching an expensive marketing campaign. They might be waiting, hoping for one of the bigger camera manufacturers to fail.
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It seems to me that at this point in the game, autofocus is more of a software problem, rather than hardware. When I look at some other camera makers with what people would call "excellent autofocus", I see things like programmable algorithms for different types of tracking. In those cameras, you don't just select AF-C and let the camera guess what's going on. You actually have to go further and select the type of action you're tracking. This level of sophisticated tracking and AF-C is the combination that makes those cameras really good. For this reason, I believe the AF bottleneck is in the software, not the hardware.
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Wrong, it's mostly a volume problem. Moving zero units in a month isn't going to get a place like Best Buy to carry stock regardless of the theoretical profit on a future sale. 0 units sold = 0 profit.

Given the current market, I am not criticizing Ricoh for not launching an expensive marketing campaign. They might be waiting, hoping for one of the bigger camera manufacturers to fail.
That much volume is the CaNikon failing business model. It is evident Pentax does not want to be in Best Buy, or any other high volume / low profit margin distribution channel. They can't make enough, and refuse to gear up to make enough, product to supply that channel.

Yet we demand the same features and diversity of bodies as CaNiSony - at a 20% lower price. We want a small, nimble, premium, value product without any mass-market baggage. How much more money, per camera, are you willing to pay for a marketing campaign, dealer support, warranty, service, distribution, availability and everything else - because YOU are going to pay for that, nor 'RICOH'.

Good. Fast. Cheap. Pick two.
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It seems to me that at this point in the game, autofocus is more of a software problem, rather than hardware. When I look at some other camera makers with what people would call "excellent autofocus", I see things like programmable algorithms for different types of tracking. In those cameras, you don't just select AF-C and let the camera guess what's going on. You actually have to go further and select the type of action you're tracking. This level of sophisticated tracking and AF-C is the combination that makes those cameras really good. For this reason, I believe the AF bottleneck is in the software, not the hardware.
You do the same thing with Pentax AF.C.
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Lord knows why they don't put some of that pezzazz into Pentax.
Remember this?

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
You do the same thing with Pentax AF.C.
Damn, really? I haven't seen such options anywhere on my K-3 II before.
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