Worth waiting for the K-3II Successor?

**pres589** · 10-18-2017, 06:52 AM

Maybe I'm funny but I'd take a K-5's sensor resolution, or at least a reduction from the K-3's, if it helped further boost hi-ISO performance. 16 to 20 mpixel resolution with low light another stop/degree/notch/etc past the KP would be really nice.

I think I'm on the fringe side of a number of things I want in my next camera and lenses I am interested in purchasing.

The Squirrel Mafia · 10-18-2017, 08:02 AM

^ Same here. I'm probably one of the few that would be willing to take a 20MP sensor over a 24MP or higher sensor as well, if it meant that the AF performance would increase substantially & high ISO photos look better than the KP.

As it is, I have no issues with the 16MP Sony sensor in my K-50 that pumps out 12bit RAW files. A newer 20MP Sony sensor with 14bit RAW files would probably give a bit more fine detail & have better noise control too.

**pres589** · 10-18-2017, 09:49 AM

Serious wireless connectivity built into the body and matching applications that run on iOS and Android, and can deal with both RAW and jpegs, would be nice.

Basically I want a melding of the KP, K-5 II, and a bunch of little updates to get folks more options for mobile workflow if they so choose.

normhead · 10-18-2017, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by pres589

Maybe I'm funny but I'd take a K-5's sensor resolution, or at least a reduction from the K-3's, if it helped further boost hi-ISO performance. 16 to 20 mpixel resolution with low light another stop/degree/notch/etc past the KP would be really nice.

I think I'm on the fringe side of a number of things I want in my next camera and lenses I am interested in purchasing.

In other words you want K-1 high ISO performance in an APS-c camera. You would think it would be possible, if you cut a K-1 sensor in half you should have the same DR and high ISO performance. Who knows, stranger things have happened.

**ffking** · 10-18-2017, 10:48 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia

^ Same here. I'm probably one of the few that would be willing to take a 20MP sensor over a 24MP or higher sensor as well, if it meant that the AF performance would increase substantially & high ISO photos look better than the KP.

That's a point, but I think that speed processing technologies have advanced enough in the last few years to have more fps, more buffer, better AF, and still keep 24Mp - which I find to be a useful pixel density for macro - the K-1 is the landscape camera, the APS-C flagship should be the action camera - it's a natural fit - and 24 Mp allows more cropping

Kunzite · 10-18-2017, 11:19 AM - **1 Like**

Uhh... something's wrong here - the KP gets you amazing high ISO photos, on the "how on Earth did they do that?" level. If you think it's not good enough, the lens cap is on.

**pres589** · 10-18-2017, 12:10 PM

I wish we could ask an engineer that works on Pentax products like the K-1 or KP and see if he thought a resolution reduction would help much or not.

I'm not saying the KP isn't excellent. I'm just fine with further blowing minds.

solitudebound · 10-18-2017, 05:02 PM - **1 Like**

The KP is a good camera if not having an identity crisis at times with it's accelerator processor. When it did work right it took images that had better depth and sharpness than the K-3 or K-1 in either FF or aps-c modes. The KP at least for me kind of feels like a public Beta test of what is possible for the future.

normhead · 10-18-2017, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by solitudebound

When it did work right it took images that had better depth and sharpness than the K-3 or K-1 in either FF or aps-c modes.

And when it didn't work right? How does a camera not work right?

**monochrome** · 10-18-2017, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by solitudebound

The KP is a good camera if not having an identity crisis at times with it's accelerator processor. When it did work right it took images that had better depth and sharpness than the K-3 or K-1 in either FF or aps-c modes. The KP at least for me kind of feels like a public Beta test of what is possible for the future.

It seems to me Pentax has done that before, for instance K-01 / K-30 (if you’re willing to ignore the design issues of the K-01). KP is a more compelling design - in some ways a sublime throwback to the AP - but I wonder what will happen when the initial planned production run is completed.

**ffking** · 10-19-2017, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

It seems to me Pentax has done that before

I always thought that the K-3ii was mainly there to trial a few features for the K-1 - actually I still do, but there is a delay in its successor that makes it look more like a considered upgrade.

normhead · 10-19-2017, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by ffking

I always thought that the K-3ii was mainly there to trial a few features for the K-1 - actually I still do, but there is a delay in its successor that makes it look more like a considered upgrade.

Since 2010 a new body design has come out every 3 years. The there is the "II" upgrade which uses the a few tweaks to the old body.... but the K-3 successes isn't due out until next year, based on previous releases.

**ffking** · 10-19-2017, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by normhead

Since 2010 a new body design has come out every 3 years. The there is the "II" upgrade which uses the a few tweaks to the old body.... but the K-3 successes isn't due out until next year, based on previous releases

it depends how you count it - if we're talking totally new body design as opposed to tweaks, it's already 4 years since the K-3 was announced

normhead · 10-19-2017, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by ffking

it depends how you count it - if we're talking totally new body design as opposed to tweaks, it's already 4 years since the K-3 was announced

I preordered my K-3 and my first image is Nov. 2014. Not quite 3 years ago.

**ffking** · 10-19-2017, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by normhead

I preordered my K-3 and my first image is Nov. 2014. Not quite 3 years ago.

Well, let's hope the successor doesn't take a year between being announced (which it hasn't yet been) and arriving in our hot little hands!

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10-18-2017, 06:52 AM	#31
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,529	Maybe I'm funny but I'd take a K-5's sensor resolution, or at least a reduction from the K-3's, if it helped further boost hi-ISO performance. 16 to 20 mpixel resolution with low light another stop/degree/notch/etc past the KP would be really nice. I think I'm on the fringe side of a number of things I want in my next camera and lenses I am interested in purchasing.

10-18-2017, 08:02 AM	#32
The Squirrel Mafia Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,054	^ Same here. I'm probably one of the few that would be willing to take a 20MP sensor over a 24MP or higher sensor as well, if it meant that the AF performance would increase substantially & high ISO photos look better than the KP. As it is, I have no issues with the 16MP Sony sensor in my K-50 that pumps out 12bit RAW files. A newer 20MP Sony sensor with 14bit RAW files would probably give a bit more fine detail & have better noise control too.

10-18-2017, 09:49 AM	#33
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,529	Serious wireless connectivity built into the body and matching applications that run on iOS and Android, and can deal with both RAW and jpegs, would be nice. Basically I want a melding of the KP, K-5 II, and a bunch of little updates to get folks more options for mobile workflow if they so choose.

10-18-2017, 10:29 AM	#34
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by pres589 Maybe I'm funny but I'd take a K-5's sensor resolution, or at least a reduction from the K-3's, if it helped further boost hi-ISO performance. 16 to 20 mpixel resolution with low light another stop/degree/notch/etc past the KP would be really nice. I think I'm on the fringe side of a number of things I want in my next camera and lenses I am interested in purchasing. In other words you want K-1 high ISO performance in an APS-c camera. You would think it would be possible, if you cut a K-1 sensor in half you should have the same DR and high ISO performance. Who knows, stranger things have happened.

10-18-2017, 10:48 AM - 1 Like	#35
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia ^ Same here. I'm probably one of the few that would be willing to take a 20MP sensor over a 24MP or higher sensor as well, if it meant that the AF performance would increase substantially & high ISO photos look better than the KP. That's a point, but I think that speed processing technologies have advanced enough in the last few years to have more fps, more buffer, better AF, and still keep 24Mp - which I find to be a useful pixel density for macro - the K-1 is the landscape camera, the APS-C flagship should be the action camera - it's a natural fit - and 24 Mp allows more cropping

10-18-2017, 11:19 AM - 1 Like	#36
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Uhh... something's wrong here - the KP gets you amazing high ISO photos, on the "how on Earth did they do that?" level. If you think it's not good enough, the lens cap is on.

10-18-2017, 12:10 PM	#37
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,529	I wish we could ask an engineer that works on Pentax products like the K-1 or KP and see if he thought a resolution reduction would help much or not. I'm not saying the KP isn't excellent. I'm just fine with further blowing minds.

10-18-2017, 05:02 PM - 1 Like	#38
solitudebound Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 140	The KP is a good camera if not having an identity crisis at times with it's accelerator processor. When it did work right it took images that had better depth and sharpness than the K-3 or K-1 in either FF or aps-c modes. The KP at least for me kind of feels like a public Beta test of what is possible for the future.

10-18-2017, 05:43 PM	#39
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by solitudebound When it did work right it took images that had better depth and sharpness than the K-3 or K-1 in either FF or aps-c modes. And when it didn't work right? How does a camera not work right?

10-18-2017, 06:05 PM	#40
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by solitudebound The KP is a good camera if not having an identity crisis at times with it's accelerator processor. When it did work right it took images that had better depth and sharpness than the K-3 or K-1 in either FF or aps-c modes. The KP at least for me kind of feels like a public Beta test of what is possible for the future. It seems to me Pentax has done that before, for instance K-01 / K-30 (if you’re willing to ignore the design issues of the K-01). KP is a more compelling design - in some ways a sublime throwback to the AP - but I wonder what will happen when the initial planned production run is completed.

10-19-2017, 01:27 AM	#41
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by monochrome It seems to me Pentax has done that before I always thought that the K-3ii was mainly there to trial a few features for the K-1 - actually I still do, but there is a delay in its successor that makes it look more like a considered upgrade.

10-19-2017, 06:46 AM	#42
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by ffking I always thought that the K-3ii was mainly there to trial a few features for the K-1 - actually I still do, but there is a delay in its successor that makes it look more like a considered upgrade. Since 2010 a new body design has come out every 3 years. The there is the "II" upgrade which uses the a few tweaks to the old body.... but the K-3 successes isn't due out until next year, based on previous releases.

10-19-2017, 07:11 AM	#43
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by normhead Since 2010 a new body design has come out every 3 years. The there is the "II" upgrade which uses the a few tweaks to the old body.... but the K-3 successes isn't due out until next year, based on previous releases it depends how you count it - if we're talking totally new body design as opposed to tweaks, it's already 4 years since the K-3 was announced

10-19-2017, 07:24 AM	#44
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by ffking it depends how you count it - if we're talking totally new body design as opposed to tweaks, it's already 4 years since the K-3 was announced I preordered my K-3 and my first image is Nov. 2014. Not quite 3 years ago.

10-19-2017, 07:34 AM	#45
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by normhead I preordered my K-3 and my first image is Nov. 2014. Not quite 3 years ago. Well, let's hope the successor doesn't take a year between being announced (which it hasn't yet been) and arriving in our hot little hands!