Originally posted by mee Oh I agree. Yet at the same time I find it is two different things.. 'what is to be gained' and 'if they can ever catch up.' Frankly, I'm not too convinced Ricoh will 'catch up' anytime soon. And to set all ones hopes and dreams on the crop system getting a mindblowing AF system is not all too realistic imo.
I've read soooo many threads on wanting a D500 killer.. and we don't even have a D7200 killer in terms of the AF system. Lets get the horse in front of the cart.
I'm guessing it costs a lot of money to R&D the AF system versus smaller iterative improvements while focusing more on IQ. Otherwise why wouldn't they have already gone balls to the wall with the AF system?
Originally posted by totsmuyco If we can get 95% of the d7200 speed, I would be very very happy. If we hit 100%, for me that would be the max. But who knows what Ricoh will give.
A friend of mine asked me about cameras & I told him that I used Pentax & Nikon cameras. I pretty much told him the whole value thing that Pentax had going on, but I told him how good the AF systems in Nikon cameras are. He basically kept going back & forth between the D7200 & the K-3II & decided to get the K-3II with the DA 16-85mm & DA 50-300PLM because of the IBIS & other stuff that Pentax offers. He came over to my house to set it up. He wanted to take some action shots of his kids playing around. I got some settings from the K-3/3II review & set it up for back button focus & tried some other settings from the sports & action threads on this forum. It has way more settings than my K-50 & it definitely focuses faster & more accurately than my K-50. That DA 55-300mm is insanely fast! I mounted that lens on my K-50 & I was surprised at the speed, but the K-50's AF performance is still not as fast & accurate as the K-3II.
Well, to cut to the chase, the K-3II is definitely a lot better than my K-50 when it comes to AF performance overall, but it still requires more effort trying to track action when I compare it to the D7200. The D7200 can lock focus really fast, track pretty well, & fire away to get a few more keepers. We changed the AF hold settings, tried single point AF, other AF selection settings, & a tried a bunch of other setting combos on the K-3II to get it to focus more quicker, but it can't really keep up to a D7200. It's not like a leaps & bounds difference, but in the end D7200 requires less effort in capturing photos while the K-3II requires more effort. It's like the K-3II has to think about it while the D7200 says,"Yes sir! Right away!". Then you also have the 3D tracking feature in the D7200 that the K-3II lacks.
Long story short, my friend is happy with his K-3II & he's pretty happy with the pictures he's getting. He's learning how to use the camera features & menu system, since he's coming from on older Canon Rebel DSLR camera. He only had a few lenses & wasn't too thrilled with Canon's current offerings, hence him looking at Pentax & Nikon. I actually told him to look at the latest Rebel, 70D, & 80D cameras, since he already had some lenses, but he wasn't too thrilled with them.
As for me, I'd be able to use a K-3II & get about the same amount of keepers that I could get out of the D7200 when shooting action, but it does require more a bit more effort, concentration, & patience. I also have more shooting experience than my friend does. After using the K-3II, I could say that I'd actually be happy enough with its AF performance if I had to buy one today. It's definitely better than the K-50. It seems like the KP's AF performance overall is a tad bit better than the K-3II, so the engineers at Ricoh are moving along in the right direction.
The engineers will definitely update the AF module in the upcoming APS-C flagship. The only thing is how much of an update are they going to do. A lot of other manufacturers are doing some really innovative AF stuff, especially in the mirrorless camera field. If they can get something that is as good as the D7200 in its own way or even better, I'll be the most happiest Pentaxian ever. I don't think they're going to aim for the Nikon D500 or Canon 7D Mark II market just yet, but if they do, I'll explode with joy. Only problem are the lenses. The 50-300 PLM is like the only super fast lens right now. They'd definitely need more, but given their full frame lens record, it would probably take them a long while to release some more faster ones.
Originally posted by Winder I do know that just 5 years ago both Sony and Fuji had pittiful AF systems, but in that very short period of time they have passed Ricoh in AF. Have you played wiht the AF of a Sony A9 or even the Olympus OMD-EMII? Both are much faster than anything Ricoh has produced.
After playing with the A9, I'm not sure Ricoh can catch up. The eye-AF on the A9 is amazing. The D5 is probably still a little faster and more responsive, but the A9 is more flexible and makes compostition a lot easier. Ricoh needs to find away to bring features like eye-AF to the OVF.
It does seem like just about every camera manufacturer our there is really trying to improve their AF systems. I've played with the eye-AF on the A6500 & it's quite impressive. I imagine that the A9 & new A7RIII do even better. The only problem is that the FF bodies & lenses are pretty pricey. Their APS-C lineup of lenses is a joke too. They're either very mediocre & semi-expensive or very good & very expensive.