How to cure a Pixelpeeper??

**Alex645** · 06-25-2018, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by ChristianRock

Buying a Zeiss Otus might cure it...

True, Zeiss can do that but so might the opposite. Bokeh popping with Helios 44-2. If you can't peep, might as well pop.

**Digitalis** · 06-25-2018, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by Alex645

we watched original silver nitrate films in a special theatre that had all the safety equipment to project those gems.

When I was studying chemistry, we were taught any nitrile group should be treated with caution as a potential for a no-substitutions side order of boom. Nitrocellulose...what were they thinking?

Though considering the times, men were not so scared of nitriles.

LensBeginner · 06-25-2018, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

When I was studying chemistry, we were taught any nitrile group should be treated with caution as a potential for a no-substitutions side order of boom. Nitrocellulose...what were they thinking?

Though considering the times, men were not so scared of nitriles.

Regarding the article, that's quite the crater they made there!

561 dead... that sure could wipe anyone's smile off his face...

Gutta Perka · 06-25-2018, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by Gimbal

100% pixelpeeing, what are you a beginner?
Once you go past 200% there is no going back.

As OP I liked that one - however I wrote "100% and over" - I tried to be leveled!

normhead · 06-25-2018, 06:27 AM

MY screen is 109 DPI. There's nothing to be gained by going to 200%. 109 DPI on a K-1 is 67 inches wide.No one is ever going to look at at print that big of one of my images. 200% is the equivalent of 134inches wide.

So, at 200% you are looking at levels of detail that will not be visible in your final print. Why are you doing that?
It's like a kid with a magnifying glass. The first few days they look at everything under it. But with kids, it wears off.

This is when someone always jumps in and says "I print big, I need all the detail I can get." Please, spare us. People printed big with 12 MP cameras. I'm not buying that you need to pixel peep because you print big. You do need a compelling image however.

Gimbal · 06-25-2018, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by normhead

This is when someone always jumps in and says "I print big, I need all the detail I can get." Please, spare us. People printed big with 12 MP cameras. I'm not buying that you need to pixel peep because you print big. You do need a compelling image however.

I don’t print big, usually. It’s more of a hobby within the hobby, trying to master the technic of pixel perfect images. Great fun.

normhead · 06-25-2018, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by Gimbal

I don’t print big, usually. It’s more of a hobby within the hobby, trying to master the technic of pixel perfect images. Great fun.

It does tend to become addictive. Anything people can do, some people will make a hobby out of.

I do tend to put the loupe for one to one viewing on the part of the image I think has to be sharp. It only takes a second to check your focus, then you can forget it. If I don't like the focus on the critical part of the image, I toss it. Same as using a loupe in film days.

Gimbal · 06-25-2018, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by normhead

I do tend to put the loupe for one to one viewing on the part of the image I think has to be sharp. It only takes a second to check your focus, then you can forget it.

Well there you go, 100% pixelpeeping.

photoptimist · 06-25-2018, 07:44 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Gimbal

100% pixelpeeping, what are you a beginner?
Once you go past 200% there is no going back.

200%!?!??!?! Why not go to 1600% for the Minecraft experience?

Gimbal · 06-25-2018, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by photoptimist

200%!?!??!?! Why not go to 1600% for the Minecraft experience?

Yes why not, it did pay off for the author of Minecraft.

stevebrot · 06-25-2018, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by Gimbal

Once you go past 200% there is no going back.

All those little squares...hypnotic...

Steve

pentaxfall · 06-25-2018, 11:01 AM

It depends on the application. I do not do pixel peep for Noise. But pixel peeping helped indentify that the right side of DFA 70-200mm was blurry. By that time I had used it for 6 months. Tamron 28-75 was blurry at 2.8. I came to know that after using it for 11years. After these incidents I consider pixel-peeping is due delligence that I have to do when ever I make lens purchase. I just do not trust camera & lens makers at all. I hope pixel-peeping increases quality control.

photoptimist · 06-25-2018, 12:15 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by stevebrot

All those little squares...hypnotic...

Steve

Indeed!

**Alex645** · 06-25-2018, 12:45 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by photoptimist

Indeed!

Like moths to a flame, photographers to a test chart.

normhead · 06-25-2018, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Alex645

Like moths to a flame, photographers to a test chart.

We know they won't do us any good, but we can't help looking.

06-25-2018, 03:40 AM	#32
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by Alex645 we watched original silver nitrate films in a special theatre that had all the safety equipment to project those gems. When I was studying chemistry, we were taught any nitrile group should be treated with caution as a potential for a no-substitutions side order of boom. Nitrocellulose...what were they thinking? Though considering the times, men were not so scared of nitriles. Last edited by Digitalis; 06-25-2018 at 03:51 AM.

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06-25-2018, 03:35 AM	#31
Alex645 Site Supporter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Kaneohe, HI Photos: Albums Posts: 3,526	Originally posted by ChristianRock Buying a Zeiss Otus might cure it... True, Zeiss can do that but so might the opposite. Bokeh popping with Helios 44-2. If you can't peep, might as well pop.

06-25-2018, 03:55 AM	#33
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	Originally posted by Digitalis When I was studying chemistry, we were taught any nitrile group should be treated with caution as a potential for a no-substitutions side order of boom. Nitrocellulose...what were they thinking? Though considering the times, men were not so scared of nitriles. Regarding the article, that's quite the crater they made there! 561 dead... that sure could wipe anyone's smile off his face...

06-25-2018, 05:54 AM	#34
Gutta Perka Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 126 Original Poster	Originally posted by Gimbal 100% pixelpeeing, what are you a beginner? Once you go past 200% there is no going back. As OP I liked that one - however I wrote "100% and over" - I tried to be leveled!

06-25-2018, 06:27 AM	#35
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	MY screen is 109 DPI. There's nothing to be gained by going to 200%. 109 DPI on a K-1 is 67 inches wide.No one is ever going to look at at print that big of one of my images. 200% is the equivalent of 134inches wide. So, at 200% you are looking at levels of detail that will not be visible in your final print. Why are you doing that? It's like a kid with a magnifying glass. The first few days they look at everything under it. But with kids, it wears off. This is when someone always jumps in and says "I print big, I need all the detail I can get." Please, spare us. People printed big with 12 MP cameras. I'm not buying that you need to pixel peep because you print big. You do need a compelling image however.

06-25-2018, 06:58 AM	#36
Gimbal Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,106	Originally posted by normhead This is when someone always jumps in and says "I print big, I need all the detail I can get." Please, spare us. People printed big with 12 MP cameras. I'm not buying that you need to pixel peep because you print big. You do need a compelling image however. I don’t print big, usually. It’s more of a hobby within the hobby, trying to master the technic of pixel perfect images. Great fun.

06-25-2018, 07:08 AM	#37
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Gimbal I don’t print big, usually. It’s more of a hobby within the hobby, trying to master the technic of pixel perfect images. Great fun. It does tend to become addictive. Anything people can do, some people will make a hobby out of. I do tend to put the loupe for one to one viewing on the part of the image I think has to be sharp. It only takes a second to check your focus, then you can forget it. If I don't like the focus on the critical part of the image, I toss it. Same as using a loupe in film days.

06-25-2018, 07:32 AM	#38
Gimbal Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,106	Originally posted by normhead I do tend to put the loupe for one to one viewing on the part of the image I think has to be sharp. It only takes a second to check your focus, then you can forget it. Well there you go, 100% pixelpeeping.

06-25-2018, 07:44 AM - 1 Like	#39
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,126	Originally posted by Gimbal 100% pixelpeeping, what are you a beginner? Once you go past 200% there is no going back. 200%!?!??!?! Why not go to 1600% for the Minecraft experience?

06-25-2018, 07:52 AM	#40
Gimbal Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,106	Originally posted by photoptimist 200%!?!??!?! Why not go to 1600% for the Minecraft experience? Yes why not, it did pay off for the author of Minecraft.

06-25-2018, 09:08 AM	#41
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Gimbal Once you go past 200% there is no going back. All those little squares...hypnotic... Steve

06-25-2018, 11:01 AM	#42
pentaxfall Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Bangalore, India Posts: 581	It depends on the application. I do not do pixel peep for Noise. But pixel peeping helped indentify that the right side of DFA 70-200mm was blurry. By that time I had used it for 6 months. Tamron 28-75 was blurry at 2.8. I came to know that after using it for 11years. After these incidents I consider pixel-peeping is due delligence that I have to do when ever I make lens purchase. I just do not trust camera & lens makers at all. I hope pixel-peeping increases quality control.

06-25-2018, 12:15 PM - 2 Likes	#43
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,126	Originally posted by stevebrot All those little squares...hypnotic... Steve Indeed!

06-25-2018, 12:45 PM - 1 Like	#44
Alex645 Site Supporter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Kaneohe, HI Photos: Albums Posts: 3,526	Originally posted by photoptimist Indeed! Like moths to a flame, photographers to a test chart.

06-25-2018, 01:09 PM	#45
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Alex645 Like moths to a flame, photographers to a test chart. We know they won't do us any good, but we can't help looking.