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07-28-2018, 08:31 AM   #1
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So... The DFA 50 came... Now I am thinking about full frame...

Good day fellow Pentax Forum followers!

I ordered the DFA 50 and really love it on crop... My heart keeps tugging at me to say it really deserves a K1 or K1 II to mate up with it.

Since the crop flagship appears at least six months away maybe a year. It got me thinking since I have both DFA * lenses should I really just bite the bullet and go big? I mean the DFA 50 * and DFA 70-200 * totaled up are way more than a K1 or K1 II. Right?

And I thought this hobby would be easier on the billfold!

If I do, then I really do need a great walk around lens so the incredible DFA 28-105 is nearly a necessity. Or is the 24-70 worth the incredible price premium? Especially considering I have the new fast 50. When you can get the K1 II kitted with 28-105 for an extra 300 dollars it seems like a no brainer.

Also how does the DA 300 * perform in full frame mode on the K1? Does it still live up to the high standards I am used to on a crop?

Thoughts to talk me into or out of this are welcome.

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LBA is catching

on the issue of a K 1 or K 1 II

let Fate decide:

if you have qualified for this month's raffle - 10 or more posts in July

enter the contest and if you win, you know you made the right decision

if you didn't qualify this month, post the required number for the month of August and enter the contest
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To recap:
The community must reach 40,000 posts each month
At that point, 4 threads will be created 6 hours apart, and the first 75 posters in each will get a raffle entry
Raffle participants must have at least 10 forum posts in the month of the raffle
The winner is drawn at random, and we will ship a K-1 to the winner
If the community reaches 55,000 by the end of the month, the prize gets upgraded to a K-1 II


Read more at: Pentax K-1 Triple Giveaway: Summer 2018 - Giveaways and Events | PentaxForums.com

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July Giveaway: Raffle Test Thread, 20:00 (8pm) UTC, July 28


This thread will open at 20:00 UTC on July 28th and will accept 75 *test* raffle entries. No actual entries, but we want to make sure everything is running smoothly for the real raffle, which will happen on the 29th at the current rate.

Remember, you need at least 10 posts in July to be eligible for the K-1 raffle!

Good luck!

More information on the rest of the giveaway can be found here:
K-1 Giveaway Announcements - PentaxForums.com


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QuoteOriginally posted by gm4life Quote
If I do, then I really do need a great walk around lens so the incredible DFA 28-105 is nearly a necessity. Or is the 24-70 worth the incredible price premium? Especially considering I have the new fast 50. When you can get the K1 II kitted with 28-105 for an extra 300 dollars it seems like a no brainer.
Yes, but if you are getting the 28-105 on a nice discount as part of the kit, I'd go that route. Why? I have the 24-70, and it's a great lens. Love it. But, there are times when just walking about, like the daily dog walk, I would like to be lighter, and the 28-105 gets great reviews. So, I'm waiting for a nice sale to add it to the collection even though I have the 24-70. And in full disclosure, I probably suffer from stage 4 LBA, so beware of my advice to buy more lenses!

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I love my K-1 and doubt I can ever go back to a crop camera. I have both the 24-70 and the 28-105. As mentioned above, the 28-105 is an excellent walkaround lens and that is why I bought it even though I already had the 24-70. The 24-70 is preferred for landscapes as it's considerably wider than the 28-105 obviously. If you are going to get one or the other I think it depends on whether you can forego the wide end of the 24-70 and your feelings on lens size and weight. Either one pairs nicely with the 15-30 if you ever decide to go ultra-wide. The speed of the 24-70 can be helpful too depending on what you like to shoot. I have the DA 300* and it works great with the K-1 in my opinion. I've used this combo for a lot of shots of the moon and I've been pleased with the results. Good luck with your decisions.
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You guys arenít helping... Thinking if I do it... It will be a K1 or K1 II with the 28-105...

I donít need the 24-70, especially if they ever come out with a nice * wide angle. Also considering I have some very nice crop stuff on the wide end.

Then of course it will need a battery grip... They have 100 off now, letís see if they sweeten the pot.

Thanks for the helpful comments on the 24-70 vs 28-105. I rarely need to go wider than 28 and if I do I can do it on crop with my 15 LTD. If I didnít have a fast 50 and the 28-105 wasnít such a good lens I would go with the 24-70 but that isnít the case.
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I am not going to buy a K 1 or K 1 II

but may enter the raffle for a free one

problem is that a number of my lenses will not work fully with the bigger sensor in the K 1 series:


PRIMES

SMC Pentax-DA 21mm F3.2 Limited

Kino Precision Japan Kiron 28mm F2 MC P/KA

SMC Pentax-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited

SMC Pentax-DA 40mm F2.8 XS

SMC Pentax-DA 40mm F2.8 Limited

SMC Pentax-DA 50mm F1.8

SMC Pentax-D FA 100mm F2.8 Macro

SMC DA * 300mm F4 ED (IF ) SDM
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HD Pentax-DA 16 - 85mm F3.5-5.6 WR

HD Pentax-D FA* 70-200mm F2.8 ED DC AW

HD Pentax-D FA 150-450mm F4.5 - 5.6 ED DC AW

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the D FA lenses will, the Kino will, and some of the DAs are reputed to work as well

but will getting a free K 1 or K 1 II just lead to more expense for other lenses?
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QuoteOriginally posted by gm4life Quote
. . . Also how does the DA 300 * perform in full frame mode on the K1? Does it still live up to the high standards I am used to on a crop?

Thoughts to talk me into or out of this are welcome.
according to this, it won't work cover the FF sensor:

The Pentax DA* 300mm F4.0 lens was introduced in 2008. It is designed for digital cameras, and as such cannot be used on film cameras as it does not cover the full-frame image circle.

Read more at: Pentax-DA* 300mm F4 Review - Design and Handling | PentaxForums.com Reviews

but

Designed for APS-C but officially full-frame compatible per Ricoh. The Pentax K-1 includes full-frame correction profiles for this lens.

Read more at: https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-DA-Star-300mm-F4-SDM-Len...#ixzz5MZIr4odB

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QuoteOriginally posted by Aslyfox Quote
according to this, it won't work cover the FF sensor:

The Pentax DA* 300mm F4.0 lens was introduced in 2008. It is designed for digital cameras, and as such cannot be used on film cameras as it does not cover the full-frame image circle.

Read more at: Pentax-DA* 300mm F4 Review - Design and Handling | PentaxForums.com Reviews

but

Designed for APS-C but officially full-frame compatible per Ricoh. The Pentax K-1 includes full-frame correction profiles for this lens.

Read more at: SMC Pentax-DA* 300mm F4 ED [IF] SDM Reviews - DA Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

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If the 300 was not FF, I wouldnít even consider it. However on all accounts it is an awesome lens in FF.
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I’v enjoyed my voyage with K-1. Since you have great setup already, go for K-1/mk2. I did get 15-30 and 70-200 for it. Because of my 15-30 I’m also looking for 28-105, instead of 24-70. Why? Great reviews, good bang for buck, small’ish. If I’d have money I’d get that 50 too...but burned my budget with those 2 great zooms, for next couple yrs.: D
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I got a full frame by nikon and im loving ff. Now im also thinking maybe the K1 or a sony. I already have a k3, which im planning to sell to fund the k1. If there are any crazy k1 deals during holiday season im gonna get one!
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The DA*300 will cover the K1 FF sensor with no vignetting.
If you have the K1 set to "auto" mode for selection of Crop or FF, it will auto pick "Crop" cause it sees it as a DA lens.
Set the K1 to FF manually and leave it there.
It is a bonus using the K1 and DA*300.
You get FF with no vignetting and also crop lens frame rate

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QuoteOriginally posted by gm4life Quote
You guys arenít helping... Thinking if I do it... It will be a K1 or K1 II with the 28-105...

I donít need the 24-70, especially if they ever come out with a nice * wide angle. Also considering I have some very nice crop stuff on the wide end.

Then of course it will need a battery grip... They have 100 off now, letís see if they sweeten the pot.

Thanks for the helpful comments on the 24-70 vs 28-105. I rarely need to go wider than 28 and if I do I can do it on crop with my 15 LTD. If I didnít have a fast 50 and the 28-105 wasnít such a good lens I would go with the 24-70 but that isnít the case.
You donít need to do it all at once. Get a K-1 at a discount. Get a lens; maybe sell a lens. Get the grip. Get a nice monopod. Youíre set for XMAS and birthdays for a while.

K-1, *50/1.4, *70~200 and 28~105 is one heck of a nice bag. 24~70 is cake with your ice cream.
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There are certainly some advantages to FF when it comes to certain lenses. But, funny to me that you bring it up regarding a 50mm lens. All the years I shot 35mm film, after the first 6 years of mostly having no WA and just one 135mm tele, so that most of my activity was from the 50mm FOV, when acquiring other lenses I eventually came to using the 50mm least of all! For my "normal" lens I much preferred my FA 43mm Limited! Secondly, if I wished a little more WA latitude. it would be my FA 35mm f/2.

The 50mm lenses I have gained more usage after I went into APS-C digital! If I should decide to get a FF DSLR, it would be to again use the above 2 lenses in their FF FOV, along with a few others. I would get it with the D-FA 28-105 for all-around use and having WR, and I might then even get the FA 31mm Limited as well. I would tend to keep the lenses on the moderate to light side so the whole ensemble would be less cumbersome. My largest and heaviest would be my Tokina ATX 28-70mm f/2.6-2.8 Pro II.

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The DA*300 and the K1 was the best combo I used with Pentax. It works just fine in FF mode.
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