Originally posted by Class A I cannot see how that should "always" be the case. Some mild tone curve alterations can be done in the 8-bit (JPEG) domain without noticeable detrimental effect on quality. I'd be really surprised if you could tell the difference between pre- and post-processing.
Same for WB. Unless you screwed it up pretty drastically, it can be fixed with JPEGS as well. That's my experience. Perhaps I'm missing something.
Small changes, sure. But I do a lot of shooting in jazz clubs under really terrible stage lighting - strongly colored, differently colored from one area of the stage to another, and just not enough of it anywhere. So am fairly often making pretty significant changes to WB to make the color believable, and doing fairly heavy-handed application of curves to bring out enough detail in the highlights without exposing too much noise in the shadows or destroying the impression that the subject is in fact under a spotlight (where shadows are "supposed" to be dark). And when doing this kind of PP, the difference between RAW and JPEG is like night and day to me. The info lost during RAW->JPEG conversion is pretty much exactly what is needed to remove strong color casts or to allow the sorts of curves I often apply to not produce posterization-type artifacts.
And I'm not *just* talking about the quality of the results. There is also the matter of how easy it is to make the changes. If you are using Lightroom, Aperture, Lightzone, or maybe one or two others, then you can actually adjust JPEG files using the same types of non-destructive controls you can with RAW. But those of us using programs that provide non-destructive processing only for RAW see a tremendous difference just in how easy it is to work with the files, too. I love the fact that with RAW, I can apply adjustments in batches, then revisit some files for further adjustment, and never have to "save" my changes. No way could I ever go back to a traditional workflow where you have to do all your adjustments to files one at a time then convert them. People with RAW processing software (eg, the Pentax software) that doesn't support nondestructive workflow would indeed be seeing little or no usability advantages to RAW, and indeed, it might seem like *more* rather than *less* work. But with more modern RAW processing applications, the workflow advantages can be *huge*.
Quote: You obviously haven't pixel peeped at the results of a basic demosaicing algorithm.
Seriously, you'll notice pretty obvious differences between algorithms (even the better ones) at 100% crops. Perceived sharpness and absence/presence of colour artifacts can considerably differ.
Got me there. Let's just say I am less sensitive to those sorts of issues.
Quote: AFAIK, the K10D was introduced later than the K100D, which makes it implausible that whatever the difference may be, could be a disadvantage for the K10D.
Precisely. Which is why I'm inclined to chalk it up to subjective opinion. I am guessing the engineers at Pentax weren't thinking it was a step backwards, but the folks at dpreview are. Personally, I don't see any difference worth caring about.
Quote: Perhaps the K100D's conversion is just as "bad" and dpreview just didn't saw the same relevance/significance (being just happy that it was better than what they though of the *ist series)?
Could be, but the language of the review sure made it sound like they really saw it as a step backwards.
Anyhow, the bottom line here for me is this: pretty much everything having to do with camera performance is subjective. So I wouldn't be listening too much to what anyone (including me!) says about "this camera is way better than that other camera". At least, not without getting really deep into the specifics of why someone might feel the way they do, so you can judge to what extent you might feel the same way.
It's the same reason I pretty much completely ignore star ratings (eg, two stars, three and a half stars) etc when reading CD or movie reviews, but do pay attention to the text. I don't care if the reviewer liked it; I care to find out what he was responding to to so I can try to figure out for myself if *I* would like it.
But it makes for interesting discussion, I think...