What's 3d pop for me...

zburatoru · 02-09-2019, 10:29 AM

Lemur | Madagaskar | Sergii Fugarov | Flickr
This monkey it's jumping out of the image!
And this monkey, too!
Lemur Propithecus coquereli | ?????? ????????, Madagaskar | Flickr
Pentax da 55mm f1.4 sdm... I hope this Flickr user wouldn't be upset about it. Great work! I have the lens but no real 3d, yet...

ChatMechant · 02-09-2019, 11:13 AM - **1 Like**

Those are great. 3d in a photo is pretty difficult for me to achieve, but here's one where I got lucky:

*Also, those are Lemurs!

zburatoru · 02-09-2019, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by ChatMechant

Those are great. 3d in a photo is pretty difficult for me to achieve, but here's one where I got lucky:

*Also, those are Lemurs!

Yes, lemurs... I' m really obsessed lately about achieving that 3d pop and I surely have the gear: 55mm sdm, 31mm limited, Pentax f 50mm f1.7, Helios 44-k, even my Samyang 85mm has it, my Tamron 17-50mm and Pentax hd or smc 55-300mm, in the right condition...

**kernos** · 02-09-2019, 01:12 PM - **2 Likes**

Spiratone Plura-Coat 24mm 2.8 is the most reliable for me. Looks even more intense at full resolution if you click and go to Flickr.

zburatoru · 02-09-2019, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by kernos

Spiratone Plura-Coat 24mm 2.8 is the most reliable for me. Looks even more intense at full resolution if you click and go to Flickr.

Very nice! It's clear for me that 3d occurs even if there's not quite a smooth bokeh... The 43mm limited it's a clear case...

**kernos** · 02-09-2019, 01:30 PM - **2 Likes**

The Spiratone is a bubble bokeh machine. Under the right conditions, it does this while still delivering a 3D look.

**BigMackCam** · 02-09-2019, 01:44 PM - **4 Likes**

So-called "3D" pop is an interesting thing. It would seem to mean different things to different people, and as such can involve a number of different aspects and properties.

In your case (and I believe it's a valid one), subject isolation through creative use of depth of field appears to be the key. I think this is most evident when the subject, and perhaps other foreground elements, are in focus, while the background is considerably out-of-focus. Better still, if there are few if any elements showing a transition between the two - as in the following test shot, taken with a Vivitar 85mm f/1.8 preset T-mount lens. Not a great photo, but it shows a central flower and some foreground floral details in the lower right, both in sharp focus, with a blurred background and very little transitional matter:

**kiwi_jono** · 02-09-2019, 01:45 PM - **6 Likes**

I like the examples so far but I also think a smooth bokeh looks good for that 3D pop too:

Shot with a FA31 f1.8 Limited.

zburatoru · 02-09-2019, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by kernos

The Spiratone is a bubble bokeh machine. Under the right conditions, it does this while still delivering a 3D look.

I've had the Spiratone 20mm f2.8, surely very painterly bokeh, a very impressionistic type! Yours it's very similar... But optically, my version was a crap!

**BigMackCam** · 02-09-2019, 01:48 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by kiwi_jono

I think a smooth bokeh looks good for that 3D pop too:

Shot with a FA31 f1.8 Limited.

This perfectly demonstrates what I was saying about very little (if any) transitional matter between in focus subject and out-of-focus background...

Great shot, by the way

zburatoru · 02-09-2019, 01:48 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by BigMackCam

So-called "3D" pop is an interesting thing. It would seem to mean different things to different people, and as such can involve a number of different aspects and properties.

In your case (and I believe it's a valid one), subject isolation through creative use of depth of field appears to be the key. I think this is most evident when the subject, and perhaps other foreground elements, are in focus, while the background is considerably out-of-focus. Better still, if there are few if any elements showing a transition between the two - as in the following test shot, taken with a Vivitar 85mm f/1.8 preset T-mount lens. Not a great photo, but it shows a central flower and some foreground floral details in the lower right, both in sharp focus, with a blurred background and very little transitional matter:

This could be one of many 3d pop faces...

---------- Post added 02-09-2019 at 01:50 PM ----------

Originally posted by kiwi_jono

I like the examples so far but I also think a smooth bokeh looks good for that 3D pop too:

Shot with a FA31 f1.8 Limited.

Yes, the smooth bokeh does the job sometimes, I've noticed it especially on my Samyang 85mm...

Wild Mark · 02-09-2019, 02:12 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by BigMackCam

This perfectly demonstrates what I was saying about very little (if any) transitional matter between in focus subject and out-of-focus background...

Great shot, by the way

You can even achieve the 3D pop with only minor out of focus blur. Compositional arrangement helps too.

This shot at f11

**BigMackCam** · 02-09-2019, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Wild Mark

You can even achieve the 3D pop with only minor out of focus blur. Compositional arrangement helps too.

This shot at f11

Agreed, Mark

Here, IMHO, it's due to a singular subject in the foreground taking priority and very few other elements showing transitional out-of-focus except for repetitions of the subject, and the ground. Had there been a busier foreground or background, I doubt the "pop" would have been as noticeable...

zburatoru · 02-09-2019, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Wild Mark

You can even achieve the 3D pop with only minor out of focus blur. Compositional arrangement helps too.

This shot at f11

Yes, another good example!

**Des** · 02-09-2019, 02:59 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by BigMackCam

In your case (and I believe it's a valid one), subject isolation through creative use of depth of field appears to be the key

Originally posted by Wild Mark

You can even achieve the 3D pop with only minor out of focus blur.

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Here, IMHO, it's due to a singular subject in the foreground taking priority and very few other elements showing transitional out-of-focus except for repetitions of the subject, and the ground.

If the subject is separated from the background, a sharp telephoto lens allows for pop. Even if the bokeh is nothing special, the effect can be good.
DFA 100mm f2.8 macro WR

FA*300 f4.5

And even if there isn't a huge degree of separation. FA*300 f4.5

02-09-2019, 10:29 AM	#1
zburatoru Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sfantu Gheorghe, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 266	What's 3d pop for me... Lemur \| Madagaskar \| Sergii Fugarov \| Flickr This monkey it's jumping out of the image! And this monkey, too! Lemur Propithecus coquereli \| ?????? ????????, Madagaskar \| Flickr Pentax da 55mm f1.4 sdm... I hope this Flickr user wouldn't be upset about it. Great work! I have the lens but no real 3d, yet...

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02-09-2019, 11:13 AM - 1 Like	#2
ChatMechant Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Matsuyama Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,284	Those are great. 3d in a photo is pretty difficult for me to achieve, but here's one where I got lucky: *Also, those are Lemurs!

02-09-2019, 11:22 AM	#3
zburatoru Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sfantu Gheorghe, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 266 Original Poster	Originally posted by ChatMechant Those are great. 3d in a photo is pretty difficult for me to achieve, but here's one where I got lucky: *Also, those are Lemurs! Yes, lemurs... I' m really obsessed lately about achieving that 3d pop and I surely have the gear: 55mm sdm, 31mm limited, Pentax f 50mm f1.7, Helios 44-k, even my Samyang 85mm has it, my Tamron 17-50mm and Pentax hd or smc 55-300mm, in the right condition...

02-09-2019, 01:12 PM - 2 Likes	#4
kernos Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 456	Spiratone Plura-Coat 24mm 2.8 is the most reliable for me. Looks even more intense at full resolution if you click and go to Flickr.

02-09-2019, 01:22 PM	#5
zburatoru Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sfantu Gheorghe, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 266 Original Poster	Originally posted by kernos Spiratone Plura-Coat 24mm 2.8 is the most reliable for me. Looks even more intense at full resolution if you click and go to Flickr. Very nice! It's clear for me that 3d occurs even if there's not quite a smooth bokeh... The 43mm limited it's a clear case...

02-09-2019, 01:30 PM - 2 Likes	#6
kernos Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 456	The Spiratone is a bubble bokeh machine. Under the right conditions, it does this while still delivering a 3D look.

02-09-2019, 01:44 PM - 4 Likes	#7
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,687	So-called "3D" pop is an interesting thing. It would seem to mean different things to different people, and as such can involve a number of different aspects and properties. In your case (and I believe it's a valid one), subject isolation through creative use of depth of field appears to be the key. I think this is most evident when the subject, and perhaps other foreground elements, are in focus, while the background is considerably out-of-focus. Better still, if there are few if any elements showing a transition between the two - as in the following test shot, taken with a Vivitar 85mm f/1.8 preset T-mount lens. Not a great photo, but it shows a central flower and some foreground floral details in the lower right, both in sharp focus, with a blurred background and very little transitional matter:

02-09-2019, 01:45 PM - 6 Likes	#8
kiwi_jono Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,437	I like the examples so far but I also think a smooth bokeh looks good for that 3D pop too: Shot with a FA31 f1.8 Limited.

02-09-2019, 01:47 PM	#9
zburatoru Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sfantu Gheorghe, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 266 Original Poster	Originally posted by kernos The Spiratone is a bubble bokeh machine. Under the right conditions, it does this while still delivering a 3D look. I've had the Spiratone 20mm f2.8, surely very painterly bokeh, a very impressionistic type! Yours it's very similar... But optically, my version was a crap!

02-09-2019, 01:48 PM - 1 Like	#10
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,687	Originally posted by kiwi_jono I think a smooth bokeh looks good for that 3D pop too: Shot with a FA31 f1.8 Limited. This perfectly demonstrates what I was saying about very little (if any) transitional matter between in focus subject and out-of-focus background... Great shot, by the way

02-09-2019, 01:48 PM - 1 Like	#11
zburatoru Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sfantu Gheorghe, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 266 Original Poster	Originally posted by BigMackCam So-called "3D" pop is an interesting thing. It would seem to mean different things to different people, and as such can involve a number of different aspects and properties. In your case (and I believe it's a valid one), subject isolation through creative use of depth of field appears to be the key. I think this is most evident when the subject, and perhaps other foreground elements, are in focus, while the background is considerably out-of-focus. Better still, if there are few if any elements showing a transition between the two - as in the following test shot, taken with a Vivitar 85mm f/1.8 preset T-mount lens. Not a great photo, but it shows a central flower and some foreground floral details in the lower right, both in sharp focus, with a blurred background and very little transitional matter: This could be one of many 3d pop faces... ---------- Post added 02-09-2019 at 01:50 PM ---------- Originally posted by kiwi_jono I like the examples so far but I also think a smooth bokeh looks good for that 3D pop too: Shot with a FA31 f1.8 Limited. Yes, the smooth bokeh does the job sometimes, I've noticed it especially on my Samyang 85mm...

02-09-2019, 02:12 PM - 4 Likes	#12
Wild Mark Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Newcastle Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,954	Originally posted by BigMackCam This perfectly demonstrates what I was saying about very little (if any) transitional matter between in focus subject and out-of-focus background... Great shot, by the way You can even achieve the 3D pop with only minor out of focus blur. Compositional arrangement helps too. This shot at f11

02-09-2019, 02:20 PM	#13
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,687	Originally posted by Wild Mark You can even achieve the 3D pop with only minor out of focus blur. Compositional arrangement helps too. This shot at f11 Agreed, Mark Here, IMHO, it's due to a singular subject in the foreground taking priority and very few other elements showing transitional out-of-focus except for repetitions of the subject, and the ground. Had there been a busier foreground or background, I doubt the "pop" would have been as noticeable...

02-09-2019, 02:41 PM	#14
zburatoru Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sfantu Gheorghe, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 266 Original Poster	Originally posted by Wild Mark You can even achieve the 3D pop with only minor out of focus blur. Compositional arrangement helps too. This shot at f11 Yes, another good example!

02-09-2019, 02:59 PM - 2 Likes	#15
Des Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Victoria Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 6,423	Originally posted by BigMackCam In your case (and I believe it's a valid one), subject isolation through creative use of depth of field appears to be the key Originally posted by Wild Mark You can even achieve the 3D pop with only minor out of focus blur. Originally posted by BigMackCam Here, IMHO, it's due to a singular subject in the foreground taking priority and very few other elements showing transitional out-of-focus except for repetitions of the subject, and the ground. If the subject is separated from the background, a sharp telephoto lens allows for pop. Even if the bokeh is nothing special, the effect can be good. DFA 100mm f2.8 macro WR FA300 f4.5 And even if there isn't a huge degree of separation. FA300 f4.5