Something big, but what is it

zapp · 02-10-2019, 09:22 AM - **2 Likes**

Looking at all the new EVF cameras as well as Pentax‘ development speed, the next big thing could really be an optical viewfinder overlay with EVF. No new system or mount needed, but you gain on sensor AF as well as eye AF in the finder.... Patent was filed last year by Pentax. This idea appears more realistic than other killer features often wanted.
OK, to become less realistic: I want to upgrade my K1ii to include whatever comes along.
Who needs more pixel, who assumes super fast AF from Pentax, who asks for EVF only camera with new mount...

zzeitg · 02-10-2019, 10:57 AM - **3 Likes**

Something big? DFA 600mm f4....

Leumas · 02-10-2019, 02:02 PM

I'd take an EVF!!
I've said before that implementing some of the perks of a mirrorless system would be great. There's no need to create a new mount even if they went full mirrorless.

**UncleVanya** · 02-10-2019, 02:06 PM - **1 Like**

Looking back: Canon's eye-controlled focus: Digital Photography Review

Something like the old Canon eye autofocus would be useful for selecting focus points.

Last edited by UncleVanya; 02-10-2019 at 04:51 PM.

ZombieArmy · 02-10-2019, 04:03 PM - **1 Like**

I'd love a hybrid viewfinder. I like to compose with the camera off all the time so I don't want to give up that, but I also want easier to read data over what I'm seeing.

zapp · 02-11-2019, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by zzeitg

Something big? DFA 600mm f4....

No chance. You do not stop development of large aperture tele lenses for 10 years to pump out a f/4 600mm out of nothing. Also, this is the DSLR forum, not the lens section. Pentax lens portfolio does the job. A couple more lenses from the roadmap are really needed, other additions would be nice, but the f/4 600 will be a silver giant on eBay for a long time. ON the other hand, I would buy redesigned 500/600 lens.

EVF only would be a lame duck. Too many smaller footprint mirrorless cameras around and you would need to prepare a full set of lenses to go with it. It would on the other hand be nice to join forces with some mirror less system to mount existing Pentax glass and grow on the side of others - sounds like L-mount alliance and I do not see it happen. Think about Canon glass on Sony. No official alliance, but Canon shooters bought Sony so far.

A smart combination of EVF/OVF should be possible without too much effort down the road, all the glass keeps fitting and all new optical developments are still good for a long time.

yucafrita · 02-11-2019, 01:44 AM - **1 Like**

Digital 6x7 with hybrid viewfinder at 10k. Design-wise like a K-1 on (some) steroids.

Leumas · 02-11-2019, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by yucafrita

Digital 6x7 with hybrid viewfinder at 10k. Design-wise like a K-1 on (some) steroids.

That would be pretty amazing

zzeitg · 02-11-2019, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by zapp

No chance. You do not stop development of large aperture tele lenses for 10 years to pump out a f/4 600mm out of nothing. Also, this is the DSLR forum, not the lens section. Pentax lens portfolio does the job. A couple more lenses from the roadmap are really needed, other additions would be nice, but the f/4 600 will be a silver giant on eBay for a long time. ON the other hand, I would buy redesigned 500/600 lens.

EVF only would be a lame duck. Too many smaller footprint mirrorless cameras around and you would need to prepare a full set of lenses to go with it. It would on the other hand be nice to join forces with some mirror less system to mount existing Pentax glass and grow on the side of others - sounds like L-mount alliance and I do not see it happen. Think about Canon glass on Sony. No official alliance, but Canon shooters bought Sony so far.

A smart combination of EVF/OVF should be possible without too much effort down the road, all the glass keeps fitting and all new optical developments are still good for a long time.

I guess you are right. And as long as my DA560 works well, I don't need another lens that much. Would I buy 500mm f/4 or f/4.5 with 1.7x TC? Yes, I would. But I don't believe there's one in the pipeline, either.

New APS-C flagship, replacement of K-3 II, that's what we really need. This one in combo with DA560 could be enough for my needs for next couple of years.

zapp · 02-17-2019, 12:53 AM

I hate to mention the rest of the camera world is presenting some intersesting cameras at CP+. All mirrorless, lots of new glass, most with ibis... covering all the Pentax strong points while Pentax is ... slow ... to say the least.

zzeitg · 02-17-2019, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by zapp

I hate to mention the rest of the camera world is presenting some intersesting cameras at CP+. All mirrorless, lots of new glass, most with ibis... covering all the Pentax strong points while Pentax is ... slow ... to say the least.

CP+ 2019
"Thursday, February 28 to Sunday, March 3, 2019"

Did I miss something?

richandfleur · 02-25-2019, 06:07 PM

Eye AF is something I'd really like.
As is real tracking AF capabilities and increased video capabilities.

All could be incremental improvements, but I'd like to see a tangible / significant step forward in some of these areas, as frankly it's been a long time since that last happened now.

reh321 · 02-25-2019, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by zapp

Looking at all the new EVF cameras as well as Pentax‘ development speed, the next big thing could really be an optical viewfinder overlay with EVF. No new system or mount needed, but you gain on sensor AF as well as eye AF in the finder.... Patent was filed last year by Pentax. This idea appears more realistic than other killer features often wanted.
OK, to become less realistic: I want to upgrade my K1ii to include whatever comes along.
Who needs more pixel, who assumes super fast AF from Pentax, who asks for EVF only camera with new mount...

Member @OoKU has pointed us to a Pentax document that seems to announce, or pre-announce, a DFA* 85 lens and a "Custom" variant of the KP.

KP custom，DFA*85/1.4 CP+ Exhibit - PentaxForums.com

traderdrew · 02-25-2019, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by zzeitg

I guess you are right. And as long as my DA560 works well, I don't need another lens that much. Would I buy 500mm f/4 or f/4.5 with 1.7x TC? Yes, I would. But I don't believe there's one in the pipeline, either.

New APS-C flagship, replacement of K-3 II, that's what we really need. This one in combo with DA560 could be enough for my needs for next couple of years.

I agree a K-3 replacement is what is needed the most. I would be interested if a 560mm F/4 came out with a 1.4x teleconverter designed for that lens. That would make it a 800mm F/5.6.

richandfleur · 02-26-2019, 01:39 AM

Sounds like the big reveal is a wooden handle?

02-10-2019, 09:22 AM - 2 Likes	#1
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,385	Something big, but what is it Looking at all the new EVF cameras as well as Pentax‘ development speed, the next big thing could really be an optical viewfinder overlay with EVF. No new system or mount needed, but you gain on sensor AF as well as eye AF in the finder.... Patent was filed last year by Pentax. This idea appears more realistic than other killer features often wanted. OK, to become less realistic: I want to upgrade my K1ii to include whatever comes along. Who needs more pixel, who assumes super fast AF from Pentax, who asks for EVF only camera with new mount...

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ZombieArmy Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 3,210	I'd love a hybrid viewfinder. I like to compose with the camera off all the time so I don't want to give up that, but I also want easier to read data over what I'm seeing.

02-11-2019, 12:06 AM	#6
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,385 Original Poster	Originally posted by zzeitg Something big? DFA 600mm f4.... No chance. You do not stop development of large aperture tele lenses for 10 years to pump out a f/4 600mm out of nothing. Also, this is the DSLR forum, not the lens section. Pentax lens portfolio does the job. A couple more lenses from the roadmap are really needed, other additions would be nice, but the f/4 600 will be a silver giant on eBay for a long time. ON the other hand, I would buy redesigned 500/600 lens. EVF only would be a lame duck. Too many smaller footprint mirrorless cameras around and you would need to prepare a full set of lenses to go with it. It would on the other hand be nice to join forces with some mirror less system to mount existing Pentax glass and grow on the side of others - sounds like L-mount alliance and I do not see it happen. Think about Canon glass on Sony. No official alliance, but Canon shooters bought Sony so far. A smart combination of EVF/OVF should be possible without too much effort down the road, all the glass keeps fitting and all new optical developments are still good for a long time.

02-11-2019, 01:44 AM - 1 Like	#7
yucafrita Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 459	Digital 6x7 with hybrid viewfinder at 10k. Design-wise like a K-1 on (some) steroids.

02-11-2019, 01:54 AM	#8
Leumas Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 454	Originally posted by yucafrita Digital 6x7 with hybrid viewfinder at 10k. Design-wise like a K-1 on (some) steroids. That would be pretty amazing

02-11-2019, 02:12 AM	#9
zzeitg Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: South Bohemia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,017	Originally posted by zapp No chance. You do not stop development of large aperture tele lenses for 10 years to pump out a f/4 600mm out of nothing. Also, this is the DSLR forum, not the lens section. Pentax lens portfolio does the job. A couple more lenses from the roadmap are really needed, other additions would be nice, but the f/4 600 will be a silver giant on eBay for a long time. ON the other hand, I would buy redesigned 500/600 lens. EVF only would be a lame duck. Too many smaller footprint mirrorless cameras around and you would need to prepare a full set of lenses to go with it. It would on the other hand be nice to join forces with some mirror less system to mount existing Pentax glass and grow on the side of others - sounds like L-mount alliance and I do not see it happen. Think about Canon glass on Sony. No official alliance, but Canon shooters bought Sony so far. A smart combination of EVF/OVF should be possible without too much effort down the road, all the glass keeps fitting and all new optical developments are still good for a long time. I guess you are right. And as long as my DA560 works well, I don't need another lens that much. Would I buy 500mm f/4 or f/4.5 with 1.7x TC? Yes, I would. But I don't believe there's one in the pipeline, either. New APS-C flagship, replacement of K-3 II, that's what we really need. This one in combo with DA560 could be enough for my needs for next couple of years.

02-17-2019, 12:53 AM	#10
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,385 Original Poster	I hate to mention the rest of the camera world is presenting some intersesting cameras at CP+. All mirrorless, lots of new glass, most with ibis... covering all the Pentax strong points while Pentax is ... slow ... to say the least.

02-17-2019, 02:18 AM	#11
zzeitg Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: South Bohemia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,017	Originally posted by zapp I hate to mention the rest of the camera world is presenting some intersesting cameras at CP+. All mirrorless, lots of new glass, most with ibis... covering all the Pentax strong points while Pentax is ... slow ... to say the least. CP+ 2019 "Thursday, February 28 to Sunday, March 3, 2019" Did I miss something?

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02-25-2019, 06:07 PM	#12
richandfleur Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand Photos: Albums Posts: 1,788	Eye AF is something I'd really like. As is real tracking AF capabilities and increased video capabilities. All could be incremental improvements, but I'd like to see a tangible / significant step forward in some of these areas, as frankly it's been a long time since that last happened now.

02-25-2019, 08:42 PM	#13
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by zapp Looking at all the new EVF cameras as well as Pentax‘ development speed, the next big thing could really be an optical viewfinder overlay with EVF. No new system or mount needed, but you gain on sensor AF as well as eye AF in the finder.... Patent was filed last year by Pentax. This idea appears more realistic than other killer features often wanted. OK, to become less realistic: I want to upgrade my K1ii to include whatever comes along. Who needs more pixel, who assumes super fast AF from Pentax, who asks for EVF only camera with new mount... Member @OoKU has pointed us to a Pentax document that seems to announce, or pre-announce, a DFA* 85 lens and a "Custom" variant of the KP. KP custom，DFA*85/1.4 CP+ Exhibit - PentaxForums.com

02-25-2019, 10:06 PM	#14
traderdrew Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Florida Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 639	Originally posted by zzeitg I guess you are right. And as long as my DA560 works well, I don't need another lens that much. Would I buy 500mm f/4 or f/4.5 with 1.7x TC? Yes, I would. But I don't believe there's one in the pipeline, either. New APS-C flagship, replacement of K-3 II, that's what we really need. This one in combo with DA560 could be enough for my needs for next couple of years. I agree a K-3 replacement is what is needed the most. I would be interested if a 560mm F/4 came out with a 1.4x teleconverter designed for that lens. That would make it a 800mm F/5.6.

02-26-2019, 01:39 AM	#15
richandfleur Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand Photos: Albums Posts: 1,788	Sounds like the big reveal is a wooden handle?