Originally posted by Dartmoor Dave I'm not aware that GUB has said anything in this thread to suggest that he doesn't know how to use a TTL meter effectively, so could you perhaps explain the basis of your assumption that he doesn't? Surely it would be just as valid to suggest that your own assertion that an incident meter is "literally a useless feature" implies that you've never learned how to use an incident meter effectively yourself?
You must be young enough to have forgotten what a godsend TTL meters were when they were introduced, and how rapidly they penetrated the market because of how much of an improvement they are.
I do use an incident meter when it makes sense.
So far, the OP has given as about his only reason for wanting a built in incident meter is when he has to look for the green button on his camera, but he took offense when I noted that perhaps he should learn his equipment better, thereby being able to press the button without having to remove his eye from the viewfinder. Another poster has pointed out that for his incident meter to be accurate, it needs to be at the subject position, or at least in the same light as his subject, something in his own screed he said was not the case, as in his example, it was light in the viewfinder causing metering issues. By definition, an incident meter won't work in his scenario.
Perhaps it isn't me who has a problem understanding how these devices need to be used?
He has brought up the logical fallacy that since his cell phone has an incident meter to control the brightness of his screen (an effective but non photographic use for one) his SLR camera should have one, in spite of how very rarely it would be useful, and how much superior TTL metering is.
Answer me this: If incident meters were so superior, why were they replaced en masse by TTL meters when it became possible to have them looking through the lens? It seems to me that if they were that much better, there would have been some sort of hue and cry about their being removed sometime in the last nearly 60 years.
If you could point me to a time when the peasants revolted over the loss of incident meters in cameras, I'm all ears, so to speak. Goodness knows, we moan loudly about far less these days.
If a person sees the benefit of an incident meter, then carry one. I have one in my lighting kit for metering flash because in the studio they make sense.
Anyway, I don't think I can take this discussion further, I've made my point.
Carry on.