My instructor called my Pentax an Edsel!

straightshooter · 10-10-2008, 08:40 PM

In my digital photography class we were talking about ISO ratings in cameras and I mentioned that my K100D Super would only go down to 200 instead of 100. This is when he said I bought an Edsel. At least I got even with him. Told him while he was spending thousands on IS (or whatever they call it) that Nikon built into it's lenses to rip him off, I could buy Takumars, some of the greatest glass ever made, for practically nothing and all of them could be used with shake reduction. I think I made my point and I think he realized I wasn't happy with his joke.

CW

Wheatfield · 10-10-2008, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by straightshooter

In my digital photography class we were talking about ISO ratings in cameras and I mentioned that my K100D Super would only go down to 200 instead of 100. This is when he said I bought an Edsel. At least I got even with him. Told him while he was spending thousands on IS (or whatever they call it) that Nikon built into it's lenses to rip him off, I could buy Takumars, some of the greatest glass ever made, for practically nothing and all of them could be used with shake reduction. I think I made my point and I think he realized I wasn't happy with his joke.

CW

It's not really an instructor's place to make judgmental comments on a student's choice of camera.
He's there to teach photography, not be a cheerleader for any particular brand, or to denigrate any particular brand.
That's the kind of thing pounds nails into the lid of professionalism's coffin.

rfortson · 10-10-2008, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by straightshooter

In my digital photography class we were talking about ISO ratings in cameras and I mentioned that my K100D Super would only go down to 200 instead of 100. This is when he said I bought an Edsel. At least I got even with him. Told him while he was spending thousands on IS (or whatever they call it) that Nikon built into it's lenses to rip him off, I could buy Takumars, some of the greatest glass ever made, for practically nothing and all of them could be used with shake reduction. I think I made my point and I think he realized I wasn't happy with his joke.

CW

Time to switch instructors. I can't stand obnoxious jerks like this. They're really hiding some insecurities to put so much stock in their equipment, and have to put down someone elses equipment because it's different. Nevermind that you're a student in the class. That's just classless and would pretty much ruin the class for me.

magnum1 · 10-10-2008, 08:51 PM

Let's see.

Edsels are rare collector cars but worth much more than the average oldie.

straightshooter · 10-10-2008, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by magnum1

Let's see.

Edsels are rare collector cars but worth much more than the average oldie.

ROFL Our assignment for this week is to photograph something we like. Since I love old cars, I wish I could find and Edsel and bring him in some photos. With someone somewhere way in the background with one finger extended. Yeah, that finger.

CW

Venturi · 10-10-2008, 11:56 PM

Go get yourself a t-shirt made that reads "Those who can not do, teach." and wear that to class.

ftpaddict · 10-11-2008, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by Venturi

Go get yourself a t-shirt made that reads "Those who can not do, teach." and wear that to class.

Seriously funniest quote of the day.

JCSullivan · 10-11-2008, 02:29 AM

Good on ya pal. That's the only way to treat such holes. If s/he are teaching this course as part of evening classes sponsored by colleges, universities, city councils, etc., I would definately lodge a complaint. It is NOT their place (as said above) to make comments on the students' choice of equipment.

Look for a car museum in your area, or a car club, ask someone at the NSRA or something - Florida/Georgia should have plenty of listings, and you will get your Edsel photo. Check with Ford dealers in your area they will know where you can find one. Heck, check if there's a Edsel Club.

J.Scott · 10-11-2008, 03:07 AM

Originally posted by straightshooter

In my digital photography class we were talking about ISO ratings in cameras and I mentioned that my K100D Super would only go down to 200 instead of 100. This is when he said I bought an Edsel. At least I got even with him. Told him while he was spending thousands on IS (or whatever they call it) that Nikon built into it's lenses to rip him off, I could buy Takumars, some of the greatest glass ever made, for practically nothing and all of them could be used with shake reduction. I think I made my point and I think he realized I wasn't happy with his joke.

CW

Without further explanation it seems like he made a crass and hurtful comment. However, he could have been making a general comment on one of the main reasons the Edsel failed to garner a lot of sales; it was a marketing disaster. The reasons the Edsel failed so spectacularly should be discussed so similar mistakes aren't made in the future. Mechanically, the Edsel was a fine car, contrary to some opinions. But Ford promised it to be something amazing and spectacular and would have never-seen-before options and styling. In reality it borrowed parts from other Fords and Lincolns and looked quite like all other cars in the late 1950's; other than that expressive grill!

There are lots of books and articles on the mighty Edsel and why it failed, I'm not going to ramble on for ever. The instructors comparison isn't really fair as Pentax has not been marketed as 'the next best thing', but it appears that even we on this forum have some concerns over their marketing strategy. Personally, I would say that Pentax is a decent, inexpensive choice for a camera system - but it ain't no Edsel! Pentax has been around for decades while the Edsel was gone is 3 years.

forensicscientist · 10-11-2008, 04:15 AM

Just remember, it's not the camera that makes a great photographer. Its the person behind the camera.....

Now go take some stunning shots and make an A.

heatherslightbox · 10-11-2008, 04:36 AM

Last fall, I took a couple of photography classes and even though our instructor, a working professional, used Canons and Nikons in his work, he enthusiastically recommended Pentax to those of us who were looking to buy into a DSLR system. Apparently, he has a friend who has a Pentax and is somewhat familiar with the system and knows a good deal when he sees one.

It looks like I'm going to a car museum with the parents today, so maybe I'll find an Edsel to shoot.

Heather

**Michaelina2** · 10-11-2008, 05:09 AM

If you can't find a life size real Edsel, perhaps you can find a toy repro to use as a subject.

Google it and go...

*isteve · 10-11-2008, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by straightshooter

In my digital photography class we were talking about ISO ratings in cameras and I mentioned that my K100D Super would only go down to 200 instead of 100. This is when he said I bought an Edsel. At least I got even with him. Told him while he was spending thousands on IS (or whatever they call it) that Nikon built into it's lenses to rip him off, I could buy Takumars, some of the greatest glass ever made, for practically nothing and all of them could be used with shake reduction. I think I made my point and I think he realized I wasn't happy with his joke.

CW

Does he realise that if he has a D40, D70, or a D300 then his native ISO is also ISO200. The latter camera only goes down to ISO100 by frigging the apparent sensitivity.

I would have to question this idiots qualifications as an instructor.

wlank · 10-11-2008, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by straightshooter

...I could buy Takumars, some of the greatest glass ever made, for practically nothing and all of them could be used with shake reduction.
CW

The quote I saw was "Pentax has manufactured 25 million lenses and ALL of them come with shake reduction".

jgredline · 10-11-2008, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by magnum1

Let's see.

Edsels are rare collector cars but worth much more than the average oldie.

This was my thought. His analogy is proof of his ignorance.

10-10-2008, 08:40 PM	#1
straightshooter Inactive Account Join Date: May 2008 Location: Forest Park, Georgia/Jacksonville, Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 633	My instructor called my Pentax an Edsel! In my digital photography class we were talking about ISO ratings in cameras and I mentioned that my K100D Super would only go down to 200 instead of 100. This is when he said I bought an Edsel. At least I got even with him. Told him while he was spending thousands on IS (or whatever they call it) that Nikon built into it's lenses to rip him off, I could buy Takumars, some of the greatest glass ever made, for practically nothing and all of them could be used with shake reduction. I think I made my point and I think he realized I wasn't happy with his joke. CW

10-11-2008, 03:07 AM	#9
J.Scott Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,675	Originally posted by straightshooter In my digital photography class we were talking about ISO ratings in cameras and I mentioned that my K100D Super would only go down to 200 instead of 100. This is when he said I bought an Edsel. At least I got even with him. Told him while he was spending thousands on IS (or whatever they call it) that Nikon built into it's lenses to rip him off, I could buy Takumars, some of the greatest glass ever made, for practically nothing and all of them could be used with shake reduction. I think I made my point and I think he realized I wasn't happy with his joke. CW Without further explanation it seems like he made a crass and hurtful comment. However, he could have been making a general comment on one of the main reasons the Edsel failed to garner a lot of sales; it was a marketing disaster. The reasons the Edsel failed so spectacularly should be discussed so similar mistakes aren't made in the future. Mechanically, the Edsel was a fine car, contrary to some opinions. But Ford promised it to be something amazing and spectacular and would have never-seen-before options and styling. In reality it borrowed parts from other Fords and Lincolns and looked quite like all other cars in the late 1950's; other than that expressive grill! There are lots of books and articles on the mighty Edsel and why it failed, I'm not going to ramble on for ever. The instructors comparison isn't really fair as Pentax has not been marketed as 'the next best thing', but it appears that even we on this forum have some concerns over their marketing strategy. Personally, I would say that Pentax is a decent, inexpensive choice for a camera system - but it ain't no Edsel! Pentax has been around for decades while the Edsel was gone is 3 years. Last edited by J.Scott; 10-11-2008 at 03:23 AM.

10-11-2008, 04:15 AM	#10
forensicscientist Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: DFW Texas and Michigan - I commute :) Posts: 1,012	It's not the camera that makes a photograph... Just remember, it's not the camera that makes a great photographer. Its the person behind the camera..... Now go take some stunning shots and make an A.

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10-10-2008, 08:48 PM	#2
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by straightshooter In my digital photography class we were talking about ISO ratings in cameras and I mentioned that my K100D Super would only go down to 200 instead of 100. This is when he said I bought an Edsel. At least I got even with him. Told him while he was spending thousands on IS (or whatever they call it) that Nikon built into it's lenses to rip him off, I could buy Takumars, some of the greatest glass ever made, for practically nothing and all of them could be used with shake reduction. I think I made my point and I think he realized I wasn't happy with his joke. CW It's not really an instructor's place to make judgmental comments on a student's choice of camera. He's there to teach photography, not be a cheerleader for any particular brand, or to denigrate any particular brand. That's the kind of thing pounds nails into the lid of professionalism's coffin.

10-10-2008, 08:49 PM	#3
rfortson Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Houston TX Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,129	Originally posted by straightshooter In my digital photography class we were talking about ISO ratings in cameras and I mentioned that my K100D Super would only go down to 200 instead of 100. This is when he said I bought an Edsel. At least I got even with him. Told him while he was spending thousands on IS (or whatever they call it) that Nikon built into it's lenses to rip him off, I could buy Takumars, some of the greatest glass ever made, for practically nothing and all of them could be used with shake reduction. I think I made my point and I think he realized I wasn't happy with his joke. CW Time to switch instructors. I can't stand obnoxious jerks like this. They're really hiding some insecurities to put so much stock in their equipment, and have to put down someone elses equipment because it's different. Nevermind that you're a student in the class. That's just classless and would pretty much ruin the class for me.

10-10-2008, 08:51 PM	#4
magnum1 Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Niagara, Wisconsin U.S. of Ay. Posts: 394	Let's see. Edsels are rare collector cars but worth much more than the average oldie.

10-10-2008, 08:59 PM	#5
straightshooter Inactive Account Join Date: May 2008 Location: Forest Park, Georgia/Jacksonville, Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 633 Original Poster	Originally posted by magnum1 Let's see. Edsels are rare collector cars but worth much more than the average oldie. ROFL Our assignment for this week is to photograph something we like. Since I love old cars, I wish I could find and Edsel and bring him in some photos. With someone somewhere way in the background with one finger extended. Yeah, that finger. CW

10-10-2008, 11:56 PM	#6
Venturi Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tulsa, OK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,636	Go get yourself a t-shirt made that reads "Those who can not do, teach." and wear that to class.

10-11-2008, 01:19 AM	#7
ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	Originally posted by Venturi Go get yourself a t-shirt made that reads "Those who can not do, teach." and wear that to class. Seriously funniest quote of the day.

10-11-2008, 02:29 AM	#8
JCSullivan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Windsor, Canada Posts: 3,056	Good on ya pal. That's the only way to treat such holes. If s/he are teaching this course as part of evening classes sponsored by colleges, universities, city councils, etc., I would definately lodge a complaint. It is NOT their place (as said above) to make comments on the students' choice of equipment. Look for a car museum in your area, or a car club, ask someone at the NSRA or something - Florida/Georgia should have plenty of listings, and you will get your Edsel photo. Check with Ford dealers in your area they will know where you can find one. Heck, check if there's a Edsel Club.

10-11-2008, 04:36 AM	#11
heatherslightbox Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Gainesville, FL Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,599	Last fall, I took a couple of photography classes and even though our instructor, a working professional, used Canons and Nikons in his work, he enthusiastically recommended Pentax to those of us who were looking to buy into a DSLR system. Apparently, he has a friend who has a Pentax and is somewhat familiar with the system and knows a good deal when he sees one. It looks like I'm going to a car museum with the parents today, so maybe I'll find an Edsel to shoot. Heather

10-11-2008, 05:09 AM	#12
Michaelina2 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SE Michigan USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,300	If you can't find a life size real Edsel, perhaps you can find a toy repro to use as a subject. Google it and go...

10-11-2008, 05:31 AM	#13
*isteve Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 1,187	Originally posted by straightshooter In my digital photography class we were talking about ISO ratings in cameras and I mentioned that my K100D Super would only go down to 200 instead of 100. This is when he said I bought an Edsel. At least I got even with him. Told him while he was spending thousands on IS (or whatever they call it) that Nikon built into it's lenses to rip him off, I could buy Takumars, some of the greatest glass ever made, for practically nothing and all of them could be used with shake reduction. I think I made my point and I think he realized I wasn't happy with his joke. CW Does he realise that if he has a D40, D70, or a D300 then his native ISO is also ISO200. The latter camera only goes down to ISO100 by frigging the apparent sensitivity. I would have to question this idiots qualifications as an instructor.

10-11-2008, 07:41 AM	#14
wlank Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Santa Teresa, New Mexico Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,130	Originally posted by straightshooter ...I could buy Takumars, some of the greatest glass ever made, for practically nothing and all of them could be used with shake reduction. CW The quote I saw was "Pentax has manufactured 25 million lenses and ALL of them come with shake reduction".

10-11-2008, 08:11 AM	#15
jgredline Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: LosAngeles, Ca. Photos: Albums Posts: 10,628	Originally posted by magnum1 Let's see. Edsels are rare collector cars but worth much more than the average oldie. This was my thought. His analogy is proof of his ignorance.