The CCD Sensor Cult. I mean Club...

**pepperberry farm** · 12-06-2021, 05:05 AM

is the K-m (or K2000) the last CCD camera body that Pentax produced?

I'm waffling on the Pentax bodies vs a Fuji vs a Sony ccd camera....

Last edited by pepperberry farm; 12-06-2021 at 05:19 AM.

**DonV** · 12-06-2021, 06:39 AM - **1 Like**

I believe it was the last "new" ccd model(and 10mp); it may have been produced concurrently with one of the 6mp models ??

**pepperberry farm** · 12-06-2021, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by DonV

I believe it was the last "new" ccd model(and 10mp); it may have been produced concurrently with one of the 6mp models ??

thank you...

I'm strongly considering a Fuji S5 Pro...

**paulh** · 12-06-2021, 10:15 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by pepperberry farm

is the K-m (or K2000) the last CCD camera body that Pentax produced?

I'm waffling on the Pentax bodies vs a Fuji vs a Sony ccd camera....

If you're considering Pentax 10 mpx bodies, I would strongly suggest a K10D or K200D. Better build and WR, plus the K10D has a pentaprism VF. Nothing wrong with the K-m, but it was the lower cost entry-level model.

View of the hills in the Santa Rosa Valley, Calif. DA18-135 on K10D:

Last edited by paulh; 12-06-2021 at 10:34 AM.

ChristianRock · 12-06-2021, 01:44 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pepperberry farm

(I'm thinking about buying a CCD body to work with - keep it on the low-low, OK?)

I'm curious to see how you get along with it... being that you have some "interesting" taste in photography sometimes (like not enjoying the 50mm lens for example) I'd say it's 50/50 on whether you'll like the older bodies or not... place your bets, ladies and gentlemen

Since I know you like to shoot JPEG, I would actually say the K-m/K2000 or at least the K200D is the one you want, because these actually have JPEG engines that you can play with. The older K10D, made with that same 10MP CCD sensor, only has the Bright and Vibrant-equivalent settings.

But those early JPEG engines were not all that great, and I think I can get a lot more out of my RAW files than from these cameras' JPEGs.

**pepperberry farm** · 12-06-2021, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by ChristianRock

I'm curious to see how you get along with it... being that you have some "interesting" taste in photography sometimes (like not enjoying the 50mm lens for example) I'd say it's 50/50 on whether you'll like the older bodies or not... place your bets, ladies and gentlemen

Since I know you like to shoot JPEG, I would actually say the K-m/K2000 or at least the K200D is the one you want, because these actually have JPEG engines that you can play with. The older K10D, made with that same 10MP CCD sensor, only has the Bright and Vibrant-equivalent settings.

But those early JPEG engines were not all that great, and I think I can get a lot more out of my RAW files than from these cameras' JPEGs.

which is why I was leaning towards the Fuji.....

Ivan · 12-06-2021, 02:25 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pepperberry farm

which is why I was leaning towards the Fuji.....

Sorry, I also considered buying a fuji. But there are two points. This is the ability to use photo lenses, fuji's flange focal length is like Nikon's. You can forget about pentax and m42 photo lenses. And oddly enough color rendition. It is not always correct. Rather, sometimes it is not at all the one you are counting on, given the problem with the software for such a specific matrix, it may be worth thinking more seriously. And these rubber bands, fuuu ..)) I'm forty-six ready to accept congratulations)).

**pepperberry farm** · 12-06-2021, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Ivan

Sorry, I also considered buying a fuji. But there are two points. This is the ability to use photo lenses, fuji's flange focal length is like Nikon's. You can forget about pentax and m42 photo lenses. And oddly enough color rendition. It is not always correct. Rather, sometimes it is not at all the one you are counting on, given the problem with the software for such a specific matrix, it may be worth thinking more seriously. And these rubber bands, fuuu ..)) I'm forty-six ready to accept congratulations)).

no worries... I'll be using the handful of Nikkors that I currently have... and pulling jpg's out if the camera ..

but I'm not sure about the rubber bands?

Ivan · 12-06-2021, 02:46 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pepperberry farm

no worries... I'll be using the handful of Nikkors that I currently have... and pulling jpg's out if the camera ..

but I'm not sure about the rubber bands?

)) Rubber, like Nikon's, peels off, swells. This does not make me feel good, this is the kind of person I am .. But nevertheless, there are problems with automatic white balance, examples of photographs dissuaded me from buying. Look at real pictures in the same flicker and decide for yourself, don't listen to anyone. I have the same Nikon lenses, and yet I stopped.

ChristianRock · 12-06-2021, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by pepperberry farm

thank you...

I'm strongly considering a Fuji S5 Pro...

The S5 Pro's even earlier release date (2006) would suggest that its JPEG engine might not be much better than the K-m/K-2000 (2008), but it might still be fine (and I know a blogger who loves the JPEG engine in the K-m as well). Don't expect anything like the current JPEG engines in the X-series Fujifilm cameras...

The S5 "Super CCD" had a very interesting architecture... they took the 6MP sensor and gave every pixel a "high sensitivity" and a "low sensitivity" area... this was done through different designs throughout the years. In their final years this became a tiny pixel among the other pixels but on the S5 Pro if I'm not mistaken the low sensitivity area was the border of the pixel. Thus a 6MP sensor became a 12MP sensor but in reality, it's still a 6MP sensor with better low light sensitivity (according to their marketing at least).

I wouldn't mind playing with one at some point but I guess people must like them because prices aren't as cheap as Pentax CCD DSLRs. I would probably have to pay more than I paid recently for my Pentax K-S2...

**pepperberry farm** · 12-06-2021, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by ChristianRock

The S5 Pro's even earlier release date (2006) would suggest that its JPEG engine might not be much better than the K-m/K-2000 (2008), but it might still be fine (and I know a blogger who loves the JPEG engine in the K-m as well). Don't expect anything like the current JPEG engines in the X-series Fujifilm cameras...

The S5 "Super CCD" had a very interesting architecture... they took the 6MP sensor and gave every pixel a "high sensitivity" and a "low sensitivity" area... this was done through different designs throughout the years. In their final years this became a tiny pixel among the other pixels but on the S5 Pro if I'm not mistaken the low sensitivity area was the border of the pixel. Thus a 6MP sensor became a 12MP sensor but in reality, it's still a 6MP sensor with better low light sensitivity (according to their marketing at least).

I wouldn't mind playing with one at some point but I guess people must like them because prices aren't as cheap as Pentax CCD DSLRs. I would probably have to pay more than I paid recently for my Pentax K-S2...

agreed - the prices I'm seeing for the S5 are what I would pay for a solid K-5 at this point....

back to the Pentax body hunt-a-long....

EDIT:

there's also an interesting later-build Fuji bridge camera, with the Super CCD EXR sensor.... with a 12mp sensor, but being a bridge camera, only the one huge-zoom lens...

**pepperberry farm** · 12-06-2021, 04:15 PM

almost forgot - all the GR Digital 1 through IV are CCD'S, too....

that's pretty tantalizing....

ChristianRock · 12-06-2021, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by pepperberry farm

agreed - the prices I'm seeing for the S5 are what I would pay for a solid K-5 at this point....

back to the Pentax body hunt-a-long....

EDIT:

there's also an interesting later-build Fuji bridge camera, with the Super CCD EXR sensor.... with a 12mp sensor, but being a bridge camera, only the one huge-zoom lens...

I think it's a 2/3" sensor, no? Good compared to the point of shoots of the time, I'm sure...

One of our CCD Club members gets some really good results from his Nikon D200, so perhaps that would be a better option for your Nikon mount lenses? I never had one but it was a very pro body at the time, so I'm sure it must have given good files even in JPEG.

**pepperberry farm** · 12-06-2021, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by ChristianRock

One of our CCD Club members gets some really good results from his Nikon D200, so perhaps that would be a better option for your Nikon mount lenses? I never had one but it was a very pro body at the time, so I'm sure it must have given good files even in JPEG.

the D200 is the body/frame that Fuji used for the S5 Pro...

ChristianRock · 12-06-2021, 08:56 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pepperberry farm

the D200 is the body/frame that Fuji used for the S5 Pro...

Right, but it has a very different sensor, the Sony 10MP CCD.

12-06-2021, 04:15 PM	#1422
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,766	almost forgot - all the GR Digital 1 through IV are CCD'S, too.... that's pretty tantalizing.... Last edited by pepperberry farm; 12-06-2021 at 04:23 PM.

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12-06-2021, 05:05 AM	#1411
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,766	is the K-m (or K2000) the last CCD camera body that Pentax produced? I'm waffling on the Pentax bodies vs a Fuji vs a Sony ccd camera.... Last edited by pepperberry farm; 12-06-2021 at 05:19 AM.

12-06-2021, 06:39 AM - 1 Like	#1412
DonV Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Near Charlotte NC Photos: Albums Posts: 695	I believe it was the last "new" ccd model(and 10mp); it may have been produced concurrently with one of the 6mp models ??

12-06-2021, 07:31 AM	#1413
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,766	Originally posted by DonV I believe it was the last "new" ccd model(and 10mp); it may have been produced concurrently with one of the 6mp models ?? thank you... I'm strongly considering a Fuji S5 Pro...

12-06-2021, 10:15 AM - 3 Likes	#1414
paulh Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: DFW Texas/Ventura County, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 33,306	Originally posted by pepperberry farm is the K-m (or K2000) the last CCD camera body that Pentax produced? I'm waffling on the Pentax bodies vs a Fuji vs a Sony ccd camera.... If you're considering Pentax 10 mpx bodies, I would strongly suggest a K10D or K200D. Better build and WR, plus the K10D has a pentaprism VF. Nothing wrong with the K-m, but it was the lower cost entry-level model. View of the hills in the Santa Rosa Valley, Calif. DA18-135 on K10D: Last edited by paulh; 12-06-2021 at 10:34 AM.

12-06-2021, 01:44 PM - 1 Like	#1415
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,912 Original Poster	Originally posted by pepperberry farm (I'm thinking about buying a CCD body to work with - keep it on the low-low, OK?) I'm curious to see how you get along with it... being that you have some "interesting" taste in photography sometimes (like not enjoying the 50mm lens for example) I'd say it's 50/50 on whether you'll like the older bodies or not... place your bets, ladies and gentlemen Since I know you like to shoot JPEG, I would actually say the K-m/K2000 or at least the K200D is the one you want, because these actually have JPEG engines that you can play with. The older K10D, made with that same 10MP CCD sensor, only has the Bright and Vibrant-equivalent settings. But those early JPEG engines were not all that great, and I think I can get a lot more out of my RAW files than from these cameras' JPEGs.

12-06-2021, 01:53 PM	#1416
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,766	Originally posted by ChristianRock I'm curious to see how you get along with it... being that you have some "interesting" taste in photography sometimes (like not enjoying the 50mm lens for example) I'd say it's 50/50 on whether you'll like the older bodies or not... place your bets, ladies and gentlemen Since I know you like to shoot JPEG, I would actually say the K-m/K2000 or at least the K200D is the one you want, because these actually have JPEG engines that you can play with. The older K10D, made with that same 10MP CCD sensor, only has the Bright and Vibrant-equivalent settings. But those early JPEG engines were not all that great, and I think I can get a lot more out of my RAW files than from these cameras' JPEGs. which is why I was leaning towards the Fuji.....

12-06-2021, 02:25 PM - 1 Like	#1417
Ivan Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Moscow Posts: 639	Originally posted by pepperberry farm which is why I was leaning towards the Fuji..... Sorry, I also considered buying a fuji. But there are two points. This is the ability to use photo lenses, fuji's flange focal length is like Nikon's. You can forget about pentax and m42 photo lenses. And oddly enough color rendition. It is not always correct. Rather, sometimes it is not at all the one you are counting on, given the problem with the software for such a specific matrix, it may be worth thinking more seriously. And these rubber bands, fuuu ..)) I'm forty-six ready to accept congratulations)).

12-06-2021, 02:30 PM	#1418
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,766	Originally posted by Ivan Sorry, I also considered buying a fuji. But there are two points. This is the ability to use photo lenses, fuji's flange focal length is like Nikon's. You can forget about pentax and m42 photo lenses. And oddly enough color rendition. It is not always correct. Rather, sometimes it is not at all the one you are counting on, given the problem with the software for such a specific matrix, it may be worth thinking more seriously. And these rubber bands, fuuu ..)) I'm forty-six ready to accept congratulations)). no worries... I'll be using the handful of Nikkors that I currently have... and pulling jpg's out if the camera .. but I'm not sure about the rubber bands?

12-06-2021, 02:46 PM - 1 Like	#1419
Ivan Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Moscow Posts: 639	Originally posted by pepperberry farm no worries... I'll be using the handful of Nikkors that I currently have... and pulling jpg's out if the camera .. but I'm not sure about the rubber bands? )) Rubber, like Nikon's, peels off, swells. This does not make me feel good, this is the kind of person I am .. But nevertheless, there are problems with automatic white balance, examples of photographs dissuaded me from buying. Look at real pictures in the same flicker and decide for yourself, don't listen to anyone. I have the same Nikon lenses, and yet I stopped.

12-06-2021, 02:59 PM	#1420
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,912 Original Poster	Originally posted by pepperberry farm thank you... I'm strongly considering a Fuji S5 Pro... The S5 Pro's even earlier release date (2006) would suggest that its JPEG engine might not be much better than the K-m/K-2000 (2008), but it might still be fine (and I know a blogger who loves the JPEG engine in the K-m as well). Don't expect anything like the current JPEG engines in the X-series Fujifilm cameras... The S5 "Super CCD" had a very interesting architecture... they took the 6MP sensor and gave every pixel a "high sensitivity" and a "low sensitivity" area... this was done through different designs throughout the years. In their final years this became a tiny pixel among the other pixels but on the S5 Pro if I'm not mistaken the low sensitivity area was the border of the pixel. Thus a 6MP sensor became a 12MP sensor but in reality, it's still a 6MP sensor with better low light sensitivity (according to their marketing at least). I wouldn't mind playing with one at some point but I guess people must like them because prices aren't as cheap as Pentax CCD DSLRs. I would probably have to pay more than I paid recently for my Pentax K-S2...

12-06-2021, 03:37 PM	#1421
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,766	Originally posted by ChristianRock The S5 Pro's even earlier release date (2006) would suggest that its JPEG engine might not be much better than the K-m/K-2000 (2008), but it might still be fine (and I know a blogger who loves the JPEG engine in the K-m as well). Don't expect anything like the current JPEG engines in the X-series Fujifilm cameras... The S5 "Super CCD" had a very interesting architecture... they took the 6MP sensor and gave every pixel a "high sensitivity" and a "low sensitivity" area... this was done through different designs throughout the years. In their final years this became a tiny pixel among the other pixels but on the S5 Pro if I'm not mistaken the low sensitivity area was the border of the pixel. Thus a 6MP sensor became a 12MP sensor but in reality, it's still a 6MP sensor with better low light sensitivity (according to their marketing at least). I wouldn't mind playing with one at some point but I guess people must like them because prices aren't as cheap as Pentax CCD DSLRs. I would probably have to pay more than I paid recently for my Pentax K-S2... agreed - the prices I'm seeing for the S5 are what I would pay for a solid K-5 at this point.... back to the Pentax body hunt-a-long.... EDIT: there's also an interesting later-build Fuji bridge camera, with the Super CCD EXR sensor.... with a 12mp sensor, but being a bridge camera, only the one huge-zoom lens...

12-06-2021, 04:18 PM	#1423
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,912 Original Poster	Originally posted by pepperberry farm agreed - the prices I'm seeing for the S5 are what I would pay for a solid K-5 at this point.... back to the Pentax body hunt-a-long.... EDIT: there's also an interesting later-build Fuji bridge camera, with the Super CCD EXR sensor.... with a 12mp sensor, but being a bridge camera, only the one huge-zoom lens... I think it's a 2/3" sensor, no? Good compared to the point of shoots of the time, I'm sure... One of our CCD Club members gets some really good results from his Nikon D200, so perhaps that would be a better option for your Nikon mount lenses? I never had one but it was a very pro body at the time, so I'm sure it must have given good files even in JPEG.

12-06-2021, 07:54 PM	#1424
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,766	Originally posted by ChristianRock One of our CCD Club members gets some really good results from his Nikon D200, so perhaps that would be a better option for your Nikon mount lenses? I never had one but it was a very pro body at the time, so I'm sure it must have given good files even in JPEG. the D200 is the body/frame that Fuji used for the S5 Pro...

12-06-2021, 08:56 PM - 1 Like	#1425
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,912 Original Poster	Originally posted by pepperberry farm the D200 is the body/frame that Fuji used for the S5 Pro... Right, but it has a very different sensor, the Sony 10MP CCD.