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11-04-2008, 12:01 PM   #1
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K20d vs k10d

what benifits can i expect from the k20d over the k10d

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11-04-2008, 12:27 PM   #2
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af regolation, at first.
others: noise reduction filter (3 levels), more colors maps (6 maps), a new sensor (cmos by samsung), Pixel mapping function...
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Lower noise at higher ISO on the K20D.
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You can crop more the K20D or enlarge to a larger size. You take pictures with lower illumination levels. And, most important of all, you can brag about having 14.6 active mega pixels.

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i know i will welcome it into my hands
But i was more looking for an answer showing the K10D flaws that were improved by the K20D


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QuoteOriginally posted by dafiryde Quote
i know i will welcome it into my hands
But i was more looking for an answer showing the K10D flaws that were improved by the K20D
I'd say the answer you already got point out better high ISO performance is the only thing you might possibly call a "flaw" on the K10D (although some K10D's were better than others, it seems). Everything else about the K20D is taking something alreayd excellent and improving it further (r taking some lackluste,r like continuous shooting performance, and not improving it much or at all).
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Why the K20D is hands down better than the K10D:

1) No back or front focusing issues. If there were any, you can adjust it yourself
2) Better AF
3) Better WB control
4) Better resolution and dynamic range from the great sensor
5) Better noise control, especially at high ISOs
6) Colour rendition is better, no more oversaturated reds typical of CCD sensors
7) Jpegs are better straight from the camera
8) Bigger LCD monitor that can be calibrated
9) Better battery life
10) The intervalometer is fun to use
11) Live View may not be perfect but it's there should you need it
12) Quieter
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I entirely agree with creampuff's summary.
In other words, (the sensor aside) K10D is the beta version of the K20D. There is simply no department where K10D is noticeably better than the K20D; low ISO noise performance included. This is not say that the K10D is a bad camera; it is a very good camera. For me, however, the backfocus issue (even after firmware hack) is causing too much headache. After the adjustment my Sigma 17-70mm works just fine but my 50mm A f/1.7 and FA 35mm f/2 still backfocus too much. They work nicely with the K20D.

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QuoteOriginally posted by creampuff Quote
Why the K20D is hands down better than the K10D:

1) No back or front focusing issues. If there were any, you can adjust it yourself
2) Better AF
3) Better WB control
4) Better resolution and dynamic range from the great sensor
5) Better noise control, especially at high ISOs
6) Colour rendition is better, no more oversaturated reds typical of CCD sensors
7) Jpegs are better straight from the camera
8) Bigger LCD monitor that can be calibrated
9) Better battery life
10) The intervalometer is fun to use
11) Live View may not be perfect but it's there should you need it
12) Quieter

this is the reply i was looking foward too.
#1 never had that problem
# 2 i would like to know as according to the manufactures specs. they both use a safox V111 system
#3 never had a problem with, as i shoot RAW
#4,5,6,,8 will be welcomed
#7 i soot raw
#9 my K10 came with the same battery the K20 comes with
#10,11 i dont need
#12 i found the K10 to be quiet

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#2 Tweaked algorithms.
#9 Doesn't mean the K10D uses that power as efficiently.
#12 Mirror slap has been dampened.
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#2 Tweaked algorithms.
#9 Doesn't mean the K10D uses that power as efficiently.
#12 Mirror slap has been dampened.
i will have to move #12 into the section of being welcomed
tell me , has the autofocus system in the K10 been modified for the K20
what is Tweaked algorithms ?

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QuoteOriginally posted by dafiryde Quote
i will have to move #12 into the section of being welcomed
tell me , has the autofocus system in the K10 been modified for the K20
what is Tweaked algorithms ?

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Dave, nobody knows for sure, what Pentax has doine to the AF control. But I have both cameras and I am under the impression (but have not done a thourough , reproducable test), that AF on the K20 locks faster, especially in low light conditions, than my K10 does. I am sometimes really astonished, how fast the K20 AF locks even with a slow lens, like the Bigma or a Tamron 18-200 (my latest acquisition) even in relatively dim lighting.

So, Pentax kept the Safox Xxxx designation unchanged, but it really is soemthing like "Rev. B" instead of "Rev. A" in the K10.

What I also like very much is the reduced noise the K20 makes,. I mean audible noise! The Pentax is still loud, compared to some Canons, but it got a bit better.

Another point is high ISO noise (visible noise). With the K10 I used 100 or 200 ISO without hesitation, 400 ISO whenever I really needed it and 800 ISO with some reluctance and I only, if I couldn't avoid it. I find the high ISO performance of the K10 not really bad, but certainly not better than a slide film of the same sensitivity.

The K20 is different. I can use any setting up to ISO 400, without hesitation. Up to ISO 1000 I am still very happy, especially for all those shots, I would not blow up to poster size. And even at ISO 3200 the images are quite useable in standard print sizes (4x6 or so).

Other aspects of the improvement over the K10 have already been mentioned and it comes down to personal preferences, which of those might be of value to you.

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QuoteOriginally posted by bc_the_path Quote
There is simply no department where K10D is noticeably better than the K20D
Well, it should be noted that the K20D lacks the ability to turn off the slow-shutter speed NR, meaning a 10-second exposure will *always* take 20 seconds. I know some K20D find this a nuisance. Bu I don't think most people care that much one way or another (unless you do tons of tripod-based night photography).
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AF.C is much improved and it gets over 4 fps with Shake reduction off.
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Does the long-exposure noise reduction also work on RAW files? I'm using an older Olympus DSLR currently that can only apply the dark-frame subtraction when shooting jpeg, so I have to go spot out the hot pixels by hand if I shoot RAW for long exposures. Does the K20D fix that?
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