1 day from PMA, still no new Pentax DSLR?

RiceHigh · 03-08-2007, 02:32 AM

Originally posted by nosnoop

With firmware v1.1 debug mode, you can iron out most AF problems.

Amazing! Then each tme you change the lens and each time you are to shoot under daylight or tungsten light, remember to change the offset parameter by entering into the debug mode!

Do note also that the debug mode is no longer accessible by the same method in the latest K10D firmware version 1.11.

Gio645 · 03-08-2007, 02:34 AM

Some people like testing cameras, not taking pictures with them. As soon as they finish testing a model they look forward for the next...

benjikan · 03-08-2007, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by Gio645

Some people like testing cameras, not taking pictures with them. As soon as they finish testing a model they look forward for the next...

I tend to agree with the above statement. There are times when I think the essence of photography has been lost to technical analysis and pixel peeping rather than getting on with why we decided to take photography seriously in the first place. For all intent and purposes the K10D is a fine tool able to capture pretty well everything one can throw at it. Further issues will be addressed in new firmware updates that may not even be officially acknowledged.

mutley · 03-08-2007, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by benjikan

Further issues will be addressed in new firmware updates that may not even be officially acknowledged.

It seems like when something is amazing, and so close to perfection, people notice more clearly the few correctable niggles that still exist.

Whatever from Pentax themselves makes you say that, its nice to hear. I still haven't done the update to 1.11, but since a few have noticed improved exposure accuracy I'll do it tommorrow. I didn't intend on going into the debug mode, anyway.

Larry

roscot · 03-08-2007, 03:30 AM

Sigh...... Here we go again.

K10D first public shipment was only 4 months ago. K100/110D only 8 months ago, and you are looking for a replacement already?????

Who said there would be new bodies at PMA anyway. Where is this expectation coming from?

The only thing I MIGHT expect to see is a mock up of the pro model, and finally a working prototype of the 645D.

benjikan · 03-08-2007, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by roscot

Sigh...... Here we go again.

K10D first public shipment was only 4 months ago. K100/110D only 8 months ago, and you are looking for a replacement already?????

Who said there would be new bodies at PMA anyway. Where is this expectation coming from?

The only thing I MIGHT expect to see is a mock up of the pro model, and finally a working prototype of the 645D.

I tend to think that we might see the 645D before an evolution and newer models of the K100D and K10D.

roscot · 03-08-2007, 05:21 AM

I would agree. I think once the new lenses are well on there way to production, Pentax should redouble their efforts to get the 645D into production. I think this is an important camera system for Pentax's professional level future.

**Lowell Goudge** · 03-08-2007, 05:26 AM

Originally posted by mutley

Not acceptable.

You don't take $1000 from me for a camera, and solve its obvious problems in an updated version a few months later to avoid a recall, or firmware update.

That blows loyalty. I wouldn't be the only one to sell my K10D, and go another brand. Therefore, no future lens, body, or accessory purchases. I'd suffer any shortcomings of another brand just to not buy Pentax again if thats the reaction to the issues of already purchased cameras.

They just won't do that to K10D owners.

Larry

Why not, doesn't Microsoft do that all the time?

But seriously, there are lots of things that could be changed in software in the existing cameras to make them better. All that is needed is first of all a way to get the comments to the right people at pentax, and I am not sure the contact through their web site for tech support is anything other than a dead end, and second, we need some sign from pentax (implementation of some changes) that they are willing to listen.

silverbullet · 03-08-2007, 02:18 PM

I'm not sure why people complain about the K100 being too big. I have very small (some would say girlish) hands, and I find the D40 and 350D are uncomfortably small in my hands. The K100 was the most comfortable camera I tried when I was looking for a DSLR, with the E500 second, and the D50 a very close third. I found the D50 body a bit on the thick side, but felt it would be very comfortable for most users.
The K100 is sized such that the buttons and dials can be easily manipulated while wearing light winter gloves, but does not seem unreasonably large.

Alvin · 03-08-2007, 02:46 PM

A little while back before PMA, I was one of those guilty of expecting a new camera to be announced. In hindsight, considering how new the cameras K10D, and K100/110D's still are, I don't find it unreasonable if there are no new bodies announced.

I am not shocked to hear that Nikon has anounced a D40x (10MP) cam so soon (this from dpreview). I think that although Pentax has a great lineup, Pentax does need to do something to address this.

FotoPete · 03-08-2007, 03:03 PM

Well, all Pentax has to do is really just stuff the 10mpx sensor in from Sony. But I'd rather them work on their imaging processor. If they can nail their jpegs like Canon does, Pentax will gain ground on the camera arena.

As for Samsung, I don't really care as long as they release some firmware. Its been a bloody long time and I'm becoming more and more tempted to slap my GX-1L with the *ist DL2 patches. But I'm afraid it might screw up my camera.

Alvin · 03-08-2007, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by FotoPete

Well, all Pentax has to do is really just stuff the 10mpx sensor in from Sony. But I'd rather them work on their imaging processor. If they can nail their jpegs like Canon does, Pentax will gain ground on the camera arena.

I'm assuming that's what they are doing. Perhaps they are just waiting for the next show so that they don't take attention away from their newly announced lenses.

xfloggingkylex · 04-01-2007, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by RBellavance

You really think the D40x is an improvement over the D40 ? I certainly don't.

like they say, you cant polish a turd.

IMO the appeal of entry level cameras is their price for getting you into the DSLR scene. add 200 dollars to the price with the extra MPs and suddenly you have a camera that is neither good (as far as bodies go, lets face it the D40 is the lowest camera nikon sells) or cheap.

And personally, I am content with pentax working on lenses ATM. I wouldnt mind a "more pro" level pentax, but with the K10D being so fresh I would be upset if one were made.

mutley · 04-02-2007, 02:37 AM

Originally posted by xfloggingkylex

with the K10D being so fresh I would be upset if one were made.

Yes, but they have decided to rush out a K10D replacement already in the summer/autumn.

Larry

roentarre · 04-02-2007, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by mutley

Yes, but they have decided to rush out a K10D replacement already in the summer/autumn.

Larry

I will be looking forward to k1d; hopefully in autumn. Given the fact that both DA* zooms are delayed til June to be released, I would think the camera would be introduced next year; well at least after the promised Da 200 and 300 are introduced.

03-08-2007, 03:22 AM	#48
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	I Agree... Originally posted by Gio645 Some people like testing cameras, not taking pictures with them. As soon as they finish testing a model they look forward for the next... I tend to agree with the above statement. There are times when I think the essence of photography has been lost to technical analysis and pixel peeping rather than getting on with why we decided to take photography seriously in the first place. For all intent and purposes the K10D is a fine tool able to capture pretty well everything one can throw at it. Further issues will be addressed in new firmware updates that may not even be officially acknowledged.

03-08-2007, 03:44 AM	#51
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	645d Originally posted by roscot Sigh...... Here we go again. K10D first public shipment was only 4 months ago. K100/110D only 8 months ago, and you are looking for a replacement already????? Who said there would be new bodies at PMA anyway. Where is this expectation coming from? The only thing I MIGHT expect to see is a mock up of the pro model, and finally a working prototype of the 645D. I tend to think that we might see the 645D before an evolution and newer models of the K100D and K10D.

04-02-2007, 02:52 AM	#60
roentarre Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 11,783	Is it the cheaper model - k20d? Originally posted by mutley Yes, but they have decided to rush out a K10D replacement already in the summer/autumn. Larry I will be looking forward to k1d; hopefully in autumn. Given the fact that both DA* zooms are delayed til June to be released, I would think the camera would be introduced next year; well at least after the promised Da 200 and 300 are introduced.

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03-08-2007, 02:32 AM	#46
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934 Original Poster	Originally posted by nosnoop With firmware v1.1 debug mode, you can iron out most AF problems. Amazing! Then each tme you change the lens and each time you are to shoot under daylight or tungsten light, remember to change the offset parameter by entering into the debug mode! Do note also that the debug mode is no longer accessible by the same method in the latest K10D firmware version 1.11.

03-08-2007, 02:34 AM	#47
Gio645 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Rhodes/Greece Posts: 107	Some people like testing cameras, not taking pictures with them. As soon as they finish testing a model they look forward for the next...

03-08-2007, 03:29 AM	#49
mutley Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: LI, NY Posts: 313	Originally posted by benjikan Further issues will be addressed in new firmware updates that may not even be officially acknowledged. It seems like when something is amazing, and so close to perfection, people notice more clearly the few correctable niggles that still exist. Whatever from Pentax themselves makes you say that, its nice to hear. I still haven't done the update to 1.11, but since a few have noticed improved exposure accuracy I'll do it tommorrow. I didn't intend on going into the debug mode, anyway. Larry

03-08-2007, 03:30 AM	#50
roscot Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Virginia Beach VA USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,363	Sigh...... Here we go again. K10D first public shipment was only 4 months ago. K100/110D only 8 months ago, and you are looking for a replacement already????? Who said there would be new bodies at PMA anyway. Where is this expectation coming from? The only thing I MIGHT expect to see is a mock up of the pro model, and finally a working prototype of the 645D.

03-08-2007, 05:21 AM	#52
roscot Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Virginia Beach VA USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,363	I would agree. I think once the new lenses are well on there way to production, Pentax should redouble their efforts to get the 645D into production. I think this is an important camera system for Pentax's professional level future.

03-08-2007, 05:26 AM	#53
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,888	Originally posted by mutley Not acceptable. You don't take $1000 from me for a camera, and solve its obvious problems in an updated version a few months later to avoid a recall, or firmware update. That blows loyalty. I wouldn't be the only one to sell my K10D, and go another brand. Therefore, no future lens, body, or accessory purchases. I'd suffer any shortcomings of another brand just to not buy Pentax again if thats the reaction to the issues of already purchased cameras. They just won't do that to K10D owners. Larry Why not, doesn't Microsoft do that all the time? But seriously, there are lots of things that could be changed in software in the existing cameras to make them better. All that is needed is first of all a way to get the comments to the right people at pentax, and I am not sure the contact through their web site for tech support is anything other than a dead end, and second, we need some sign from pentax (implementation of some changes) that they are willing to listen.

03-08-2007, 02:18 PM	#54
silverbullet Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta Posts: 212	I'm not sure why people complain about the K100 being too big. I have very small (some would say girlish) hands, and I find the D40 and 350D are uncomfortably small in my hands. The K100 was the most comfortable camera I tried when I was looking for a DSLR, with the E500 second, and the D50 a very close third. I found the D50 body a bit on the thick side, but felt it would be very comfortable for most users. The K100 is sized such that the buttons and dials can be easily manipulated while wearing light winter gloves, but does not seem unreasonably large.

03-08-2007, 02:46 PM	#55
Alvin Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,517	A little while back before PMA, I was one of those guilty of expecting a new camera to be announced. In hindsight, considering how new the cameras K10D, and K100/110D's still are, I don't find it unreasonable if there are no new bodies announced. I am not shocked to hear that Nikon has anounced a D40x (10MP) cam so soon (this from dpreview). I think that although Pentax has a great lineup, Pentax does need to do something to address this.

03-08-2007, 03:03 PM	#56
FotoPete Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,774	Well, all Pentax has to do is really just stuff the 10mpx sensor in from Sony. But I'd rather them work on their imaging processor. If they can nail their jpegs like Canon does, Pentax will gain ground on the camera arena. As for Samsung, I don't really care as long as they release some firmware. Its been a bloody long time and I'm becoming more and more tempted to slap my GX-1L with the *ist DL2 patches. But I'm afraid it might screw up my camera.

03-08-2007, 03:09 PM	#57
Alvin Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,517	Originally posted by FotoPete Well, all Pentax has to do is really just stuff the 10mpx sensor in from Sony. But I'd rather them work on their imaging processor. If they can nail their jpegs like Canon does, Pentax will gain ground on the camera arena. I'm assuming that's what they are doing. Perhaps they are just waiting for the next show so that they don't take attention away from their newly announced lenses.

04-01-2007, 11:36 PM	#58
xfloggingkylex Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Frederick, MD USA Posts: 111	Originally posted by RBellavance You really think the D40x is an improvement over the D40 ? I certainly don't. like they say, you cant polish a turd. IMO the appeal of entry level cameras is their price for getting you into the DSLR scene. add 200 dollars to the price with the extra MPs and suddenly you have a camera that is neither good (as far as bodies go, lets face it the D40 is the lowest camera nikon sells) or cheap. And personally, I am content with pentax working on lenses ATM. I wouldnt mind a "more pro" level pentax, but with the K10D being so fresh I would be upset if one were made.

04-02-2007, 02:37 AM	#59
mutley Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: LI, NY Posts: 313	Originally posted by xfloggingkylex with the K10D being so fresh I would be upset if one were made. Yes, but they have decided to rush out a K10D replacement already in the summer/autumn. Larry