[cpk]

Originally posted by dbs*
Hi Sly

What you are really saying is you would rather not have to wait for your film to be developed.

Oh dear..


Dave
we have a winner

as well as waiting to see if I am screwing up the photos

Have faith, my son, have faith.

That's what it took in the film era.

[robgski]

I rented a K-1 multiple times over the space of two years before I found a used copy at a price I was willing to pay.

Yes, rent a K-1, because a vacation in a place like RMNP and Estes Park is going to give you every opportunity to try it out.

If you go on a hike of any long distance, lugging it with a long lens, that may cool your desire a bit, but you will know if it is the camera you want to buy, and if not, you can always rent again.

[SSGGeezer]

After running around most of the summer with the DFA 150-450 and battery grip mounted. When I take off the grip and change to the DFA 24-70, it is like I am using my KP with a Limited!

[aaacb]

It's a 1 kilo block of solid metal, quite dangerous in the right hands It took a couple of months for the k1ii to really grow on me, most of it having to do with muscle memory adjusting to button/dial placement from the k3ii, but also the extra weight. So even though the files are nice and I now like the camera a bunch, my initial reaction was not instant awe and it should be safe to rent briefly.

[UncleVanya]

I borrowed a k1 one for a month, I was able to send it back and still keep using the k-3 I already owned. My issue was the size of the current full frame lenses vs the fact I know the k-3 has capabilities I haven't fully tapped.

As others have said the danger depends on you and what you shoot. The fa 31 on the k1 was pretty hard to walk away from.

[derekkite]

Get the K1-II. The low light capabilities will spoil you and you won't want to use the K3. The AF is quite good as well.

I set the selection dial to crop and switch to cropped mode to get a fast frame rate.

Think 3-4 stops and how that would change your shooting. It is possible to shoot wildlife at dawn and dusk.

[aslyfox]

. . . The fa 31 on the k1 was pretty hard to walk away from.

I rented that Limited when I went to Yellowstone my second time, wasn't pleases with it on my K 3 and K 3 11

on the full frame sensor of the K 1 or K 1 II?????

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I think the problem is you're going to need a suitcase size backpack, or at least I would. I'd have a hard time culling your list down and not wanting to experiment with something I left behind. The Sigma 24, and the 43 and 77 would have to come along though.

that is always the problem, the choice of what to take and what to leave behind

[ although since we are driving, I could take quite a lot and sort there at RMNP ]

right now, I think this would be my full frame sensor kit in the room there:

Sigma 24mm F2.8 AF Super Wide II F2.8

Kino Precision Japan Kiron 28mm F2 MC P/KA

SMC Pentax-FA 43mm F1.9 Limited

SMC Pentax-D FA 50mm F2.8 Macro

Vivitar Series 1 70-210mm F2.8-4 Macro Zoom PKA ( Komine )

HD Pentax-D FA* 70-200mm F2.8 ED DC AW

SMC Pentax-FA 77mm F1.8 Limited

SMC Pentax-D FA 100mm F2.8 Macro

SMC Pentax-A 135mm F2.8 52 F

HD Pentax-D FA 150-450mm F4.5 - 5.6 ED DC AW

[ I would have a few more for ASP-C use only ]

problem is not only leaving lenses behind but prime vs. zoom, and " why did I buy that if I don't use it " syndrome

and yes, my wife has been very good to me and laughs at me a lot over all of the equipment I have accumulated

her rule: " you bought it, you carry it "

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[MJKoski]

Well, so many FF capable lenses and good ones that K-1 is no-brainer. Throw in the new 21mm limited once it arrives.

[pres589]

I could see your Pentax 70-200 staying glued to one of your K-3's due to crop's advantages in reach, and a K-1 used with your 24mm and 77mm lenses. Probably grab your DA 40 for something in-between. I've been a pretty big fan of a 40mm prime on full frame over 50mm or 35mm

[aslyfox]

. . . Probably grab your DA 40 for something in-between. I've been a pretty big fan of a 40mm prime on full frame over 50mm or 35mm

I thought the DA 40mm Limited and 40mm XS did not play well with the full frame sensor ???

I like them both and I love to show off the XS on one camera body with the D FA 150-450mm on the other

[pres589]

Slight vignette wide-open. K-1 and DA 40 Limited - PentaxForums.com

[aslyfox]

thanks for the link

I do like my DA 40mm lenses

and the XS does share the optics of the Limited:

Description:
The SMC Pentax DA 40mm XS is based on the optical design of the SMC Pentax DA 40mm Limited, but its exterior is designed by Marc Newson so as to match the design of the K-01 mirrorless camera. The lens will work with Pentax DSLRs as well as with the K-01.

It is smaller being only 9.2 mm thick. The aperture blades are rounded which produces a smooth bokeh. The front element has SP coating which repels dust, water and grease and which makes it easier to wipe the front element clean. . . .

Unofficial Full-Frame Compatibility Tests by Pentax Forums
★★☆ Full coverage at some F-stop and focal length combinations
Notes
User tests show that this lens covers the 24x36 mm format, but with vignetting until F5.6.

Read more at: SMC Pentax-DA 40mm F2.8 XS Reviews - DA XS Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

Unofficial Full-Frame Compatibility Tests by Pentax Forums
★★☆ Full coverage at some F-stop and focal length combinations
Show details
Notes
User tests show that this lens covers the 24x36 mm format, but with vignetting until F5.6.

Read more at: https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/hd-pentax-da-40mm-f2.8-limited.html#ixzz6VYwwvq7r

[pres589]

Normhead has shared images from his K-1 / DA 40 XS combo. I like how that lens gives smoother out of focus rendering vs the DA 40 Ltd SMC (it's the round vs. straight aperture blades) or especially the FA 43.

I tend to agree with GUB. The only advantage you will have with the K1 over the K3(ii) is wider FOV for a given focal length and slightly better ISO sensitivity. I just did some calculations that I find interesting. If you use the K1's crop mode to get APS-C equivalent sensor size, you'll actually end up with lower resolution than with the native APS-C 24MP sensor on the K3. The K1 is 7360 x 4912 pixels at full frame (35.9mm x 23.9mm) The K3 is 6000 x 4000 pixels APS-C (23.5mm x 15.6mm). If you use crop mode which is equivalent to APS-C: 23.5mm / 35.9mm = approx 0.65; 15.6mm / 23.9mm also = approx 0.65, so you are using only 65% of the pixels in width and height. 65% of 7360 x 4912 = 4784 x 3192 = 15.2MP.

Edit: As I was doing my calculations and writing my post, I see you listed a large selection of full-frame lens available to you, so this could sway things towards the K1. :-)

That's a really good point. I find my image quality with the KP (which has much greater pixel density than the K-1) is often better. Finding the right viewing angle may require more thought about composition when taking the shot with the cropped-sensor camera; it's easier to take a picture with a wider field of view and then crop in post-processing where you can, in effect, re-compose the shot. On the other hand, you can use a wider-angle lens with an APS-C camera and get the same effect as with the full-frame sensors. (Folks argue that the bigger, fatter pixels on the full-frame sensor gives better dynamic range and color response than the itty-bitty pixels on the KP; not sure I buy that, at least in the sense of having something noticible.)

If it were me, I'd rent the KP rather than either of the K-1's. No issue with the lenses that way, and it's smaller and lighter, not as clunky, and doesn't have a lot of unnecessary complexity. Either that or take the K-1 along and leave the K-3's; my view is that the K-3 and the KP together have all the functionality of the K-1, but with different niches. It's like you take the K-1 and remove certain features and you get a K-3, remove certain other features instead, and you get a KP. The only reason for taking both a K-1 and a K-3, in my view, is redundancy in case the K-1 becomes nonfunctional.

[aslyfox]

regarding the KP

a fine camera

I was lucky enough to win one in the contests last year

it currently is with my son and his wife in Omaha

for some reason, it wasn't my " cup of tea ", I preferred my K 3 and K 3 II