How much are willing to shell out for Knew?

**FozzFoster** · 09-13-2020, 09:16 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by fontan

this camera has had a misfortune of being hit by covid crisis

k-2020

---------- Post added 09-13-20 at 10:48 PM ----------

Originally posted by texandrews

But if the camera has pretty good video chops, then we might just have a sale.

wouldn't hold my breath

Flubber · 09-13-2020, 10:58 PM

I have a question for you guys. Since I said that I was willing to go as high as $2000-$2500, which is K1-II range, would I be better off buying the K1 anyway? Most of my lenses are full frame lenses anyway, and I haven't invested in ApS-c specific lenses. I also only shoot in manual, because I find it fun, so autofocus is not important to me. Would I theoretically be better off buying full frame, to get more out of the gear that I already own?

Just a theoretic question - thinking out loud here. This thought didn't occur to me earlier.

**RobA_Oz** · 09-14-2020, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by Flubber

I have a question for you guys. Since I said that I was willing to go as high as $2000-$2500, which is K1-II range, would I be better off buying the K1 anyway? Most of my lenses are full frame lenses anyway, and I haven't invested in ApS-c specific lenses. I also only shoot in manual, because I find it fun, so autofocus is not important to me. Would I theoretically be better off buying full frame, to get more out of the gear that I already own?

Just a theoretic question - thinking out loud here. This thought didn't occur to me earlier.

I’d be waiting to see how the Knew performs and what its feature list includes.

The major imaging advantage of the K-1/ii over other Pentax DSLRs, currently, is the dynamic range, but the sensor for the Knew is likely to improve on previous Pentax APS-C bodies in that respect, although the KP’s seems well-regarded.

The feature list is another matter. If you shoot with manual focus, then AF speed and buffer size/speed are unlikely to be attractive features to you. I hate to mention it, but if you shoot macro, the movable rear screen on the K-1 will be a point in its favour.

Then, of course, there’s the matter of the field of view with your lens collection. If you already have focal lengths down as far as 15mm, then you’ve probably got good coverage for APS-C, as well as 35FF. Only you can answer that.

There’s a lot of other things you might want to consider, though, such as weight if you’re walking with a lot of equipment. Are your lenses AF, and/or metal body construction or large aperture, for instance? Personally, I don’t mind the weight of the K-1, but that’s an individual consideration.

Lots to think about while we’re waiting to see the new body.

Wasp · 09-14-2020, 12:19 AM

I am guessing that the K-new will be selling for about USD1000. To answer the question posed in the title: I'm not in the market for a new crop frame camera. If I was spending that sort of money I would want a full frame camera to use with my ~~hoard~~ collection of ~~classic~~ manual focus full frame glass.

Flubber · 09-14-2020, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

I’d be waiting to see how the Knew performs and what its feature list includes.

The major imaging advantage of the K-1/ii over other Pentax DSLRs, currently, is the dynamic range, but the sensor for the Knew is likely to improve on previous Pentax APS-C bodies in that respect, although the KP’s seems well-regarded.

The feature list is another matter. If you shoot with manual focus, then AF speed and buffer size/speed are unlikely to be attractive features to you. I hate to mention it, but if you shoot macro, the movable rear screen on the K-1 will be a point in its favour.

Then, of course, there’s the matter of the field of view with your lens collection. If you already have focal lengths down as far as 15mm, then you’ve probably got good coverage for APS-C, as well as 35FF. Only you can answer that.

There’s a lot of other things you might want to consider, though, such as weight if you’re walking with a lot of equipment. Are your lenses AF, and/or metal body construction or large aperture, for instance? Personally, I don’t mind the weight of the K-1, but that’s an individual consideration.

Lots to think about while we’re waiting to see the new body.

Thank you for the detailed response. I will wait and see - my feeling is that the K-new will be revealed sometime this month, so hopefully we won't have long to wait. 🙂

**Serkevan** · 09-14-2020, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by Wasp

I am guessing that the K-new will be selling for about USD1000. To answer the question posed in the title: I'm not in the market for a new crop frame camera. If I was spending that sort of money I would want a full frame camera to use with my ~~hoard~~ collection of ~~classic~~ manual focus full frame glass.

That's about what the KP was going for. I'm fairly certain 1500-1600€ is closer to reality.

---------- Post added 09-14-20 at 01:11 AM ----------

Originally posted by Flubber

I have a question for you guys. Since I said that I was willing to go as high as $2000-$2500, which is K1-II range, would I be better off buying the K1 anyway? Most of my lenses are full frame lenses anyway, and I haven't invested in ApS-c specific lenses. I also only shoot in manual, because I find it fun, so autofocus is not important to me. Would I theoretically be better off buying full frame, to get more out of the gear that I already own?

Just a theoretic question - thinking out loud here. This thought didn't occur to me earlier.

Get the K-1 and don't look back. I got mine (Mark I) for under 900€ with less than 2000 clicks on the shutter. Absolute IQ monster, joy to use, makes all kinds of photography I've attempted (cityscapes/street/landscape/macro/astro/portrait) hassle-free.

**yucatanPentax** · 09-14-2020, 01:23 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Flubber

I'm not saying it necessarily will be more expensive than the K-1, but I'm curious why people think it necessarily has to be cheaper, when it packs a lot more new tech, and is a much newer machine? I understand one is a full frame and the other an APS-C, but one is also 4 years newer tech than the other, with a lot of R&D investments to boot.

With that said, I'm only going to be delighted if it's much cheaper. That way I'll be able to buy a nice lens with it as well.

Newer tech is cheaper tech. As technology advances, it also becomes less expensive. Assuming that the newest thing is the most costly has been proven wrong in the computing field for decades.

Along with that, if they want to recoup costs, the best way to do that is in volume sales. They don't have a limitless ceiling for pricing due to competition. (although, whether they ever even consider competition could be debatable).

Sure, why not. I'll make a bet: $1400 list price, $1200 intro special.
Snap them up, folks!

Flubber · 09-14-2020, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

That's about what the KP was going for. I'm fairly certain 1500-1600€ is closer to reality.

---------- Post added 09-14-20 at 01:11 AM ----------

Get the K-1 and don't look back. I got mine (Mark I) for under 900€ with less than 2000 clicks on the shutter. Absolute IQ monster, joy to use, makes all kinds of photography I've attempted (cityscapes/street/landscape/macro/astro/portrait) hassle-free.

Very interesting. I will have to look up some used deals, and see what is available. That new limited silver edition also looks amazing..

**Serkevan** · 09-14-2020, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by Flubber

That new limited silver edition also looks amazing..

Guess who's saving for a silver DFA 21 Limited...

**nitehntr** · 09-14-2020, 03:34 AM - **1 Like**

i early adopted the K1 at around $1800.00 i cant imagine the K new will even approach that price unless they just don't want to sell very many. i am definitely interested in one as a replacement for my K3 but not at an exorbitant price. i am also saving for the DFA 21mm for my K1

**Pål Jensen** · 09-14-2020, 03:53 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by yucatanPentax

Newer tech is cheaper tech. As technology advances, it also becomes less expensive.

Not until developing costs are covered. The new prism, AF system, sensor + all the other new features costs money. It is cheaper to use old tech long paid for....

---------- Post added 09-14-20 at 12:55 PM ----------

Originally posted by Flubber

I have a question for you guys. Since I said that I was willing to go as high as $2000-$2500, which is K1-II range, would I be better off buying the K1 anyway? Most of my lenses are full frame lenses anyway, and I haven't invested in ApS-c specific lenses. I also only shoot in manual, because I find it fun, so autofocus is not important to me. Would I theoretically be better off buying full frame, to get more out of the gear that I already own?

Just a theoretic question - thinking out loud here. This thought didn't occur to me earlier.

Impossible to answer. They are two different formats. Which one do you prefer? Only you can answer that.
APS is smaller and hence more portable. FF gives better image quality (all thing equal)......

---------- Post added 09-14-20 at 12:56 PM ----------

BTW I guess the Knew will cost around $2000......

Flubber · 09-14-2020, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Not until developing costs are covered. The new prism, AF system, sensor + all the other new features costs money. It is cheaper to use old tech long paid for....

---------- Post added 09-14-20 at 12:55 PM ----------

Impossible to answer. They are two different formats. Which one do you prefer? Only you can answer that.
APS is smaller and hence more portable. FF gives better image quality (all thing equal)......

---------- Post added 09-14-20 at 12:56 PM ----------

BTW I guess the Knew will cost around $2000......

I have never owned a full frame digital camera, so I can't really compare, but I started out shooting 35mm film cameras. Image quality is for me more important than portability. So I guess that did answer it.. 🙂

**ffking** · 09-14-2020, 04:05 AM - **1 Like**

It should be noted that while it's true that the K-new has to compete it today's market, the D500 didn't launch at $1,500. and launch prices do come down,

gatorguy · 09-14-2020, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by ffking

It should be noted that while it's true that the K-new has to compete it today's market, the D500 didn't launch at $1,500. and launch prices do come down,

I guess we forget. Yeah, the D500 initially sold for $2000, body only, and that was 4 years ago.

**pres589** · 09-14-2020, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by mikesbike

I was unaware a production copy has been presented for examination. If not, the final product may include some changes over a pre-production concept sample.

I didn't write my reply correctly so I'll restate now; When the price of the Knew has dropped to around $1500 at real stores here in the USA, I'll start reaching for my checkbook to buy, but only after I've held one in a store for a bit. My proximity to NY and the time it will take for the price to get down to around $1500 means this is probably happening in mid-2021 or so.

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09-13-2020, 09:16 PM - 1 Like	#46
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by fontan this camera has had a misfortune of being hit by covid crisis k-2020 ---------- Post added 09-13-20 at 10:48 PM ---------- Originally posted by texandrews But if the camera has pretty good video chops, then we might just have a sale. wouldn't hold my breath

09-13-2020, 10:58 PM	#47
Flubber Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 150	I have a question for you guys. Since I said that I was willing to go as high as $2000-$2500, which is K1-II range, would I be better off buying the K1 anyway? Most of my lenses are full frame lenses anyway, and I haven't invested in ApS-c specific lenses. I also only shoot in manual, because I find it fun, so autofocus is not important to me. Would I theoretically be better off buying full frame, to get more out of the gear that I already own? Just a theoretic question - thinking out loud here. This thought didn't occur to me earlier.

09-14-2020, 12:14 AM	#48
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by Flubber I have a question for you guys. Since I said that I was willing to go as high as $2000-$2500, which is K1-II range, would I be better off buying the K1 anyway? Most of my lenses are full frame lenses anyway, and I haven't invested in ApS-c specific lenses. I also only shoot in manual, because I find it fun, so autofocus is not important to me. Would I theoretically be better off buying full frame, to get more out of the gear that I already own? Just a theoretic question - thinking out loud here. This thought didn't occur to me earlier. I’d be waiting to see how the Knew performs and what its feature list includes. The major imaging advantage of the K-1/ii over other Pentax DSLRs, currently, is the dynamic range, but the sensor for the Knew is likely to improve on previous Pentax APS-C bodies in that respect, although the KP’s seems well-regarded. The feature list is another matter. If you shoot with manual focus, then AF speed and buffer size/speed are unlikely to be attractive features to you. I hate to mention it, but if you shoot macro, the movable rear screen on the K-1 will be a point in its favour. Then, of course, there’s the matter of the field of view with your lens collection. If you already have focal lengths down as far as 15mm, then you’ve probably got good coverage for APS-C, as well as 35FF. Only you can answer that. There’s a lot of other things you might want to consider, though, such as weight if you’re walking with a lot of equipment. Are your lenses AF, and/or metal body construction or large aperture, for instance? Personally, I don’t mind the weight of the K-1, but that’s an individual consideration. Lots to think about while we’re waiting to see the new body.

09-14-2020, 12:19 AM	#49
Wasp Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Pretoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,660	I am guessing that the K-new will be selling for about USD1000. To answer the question posed in the title: I'm not in the market for a new crop frame camera. If I was spending that sort of money I would want a full frame camera to use with my ~~hoard~~ collection of ~~classic~~ manual focus full frame glass.

09-14-2020, 12:46 AM	#50
Flubber Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 150	Originally posted by RobA_Oz I’d be waiting to see how the Knew performs and what its feature list includes. The major imaging advantage of the K-1/ii over other Pentax DSLRs, currently, is the dynamic range, but the sensor for the Knew is likely to improve on previous Pentax APS-C bodies in that respect, although the KP’s seems well-regarded. The feature list is another matter. If you shoot with manual focus, then AF speed and buffer size/speed are unlikely to be attractive features to you. I hate to mention it, but if you shoot macro, the movable rear screen on the K-1 will be a point in its favour. Then, of course, there’s the matter of the field of view with your lens collection. If you already have focal lengths down as far as 15mm, then you’ve probably got good coverage for APS-C, as well as 35FF. Only you can answer that. There’s a lot of other things you might want to consider, though, such as weight if you’re walking with a lot of equipment. Are your lenses AF, and/or metal body construction or large aperture, for instance? Personally, I don’t mind the weight of the K-1, but that’s an individual consideration. Lots to think about while we’re waiting to see the new body. Thank you for the detailed response. I will wait and see - my feeling is that the K-new will be revealed sometime this month, so hopefully we won't have long to wait. 🙂

09-14-2020, 01:07 AM	#51
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Wasp I am guessing that the K-new will be selling for about USD1000. To answer the question posed in the title: I'm not in the market for a new crop frame camera. If I was spending that sort of money I would want a full frame camera to use with my ~~hoard~~ collection of ~~classic~~ manual focus full frame glass. That's about what the KP was going for. I'm fairly certain 1500-1600€ is closer to reality. ---------- Post added 09-14-20 at 01:11 AM ---------- Originally posted by Flubber I have a question for you guys. Since I said that I was willing to go as high as $2000-$2500, which is K1-II range, would I be better off buying the K1 anyway? Most of my lenses are full frame lenses anyway, and I haven't invested in ApS-c specific lenses. I also only shoot in manual, because I find it fun, so autofocus is not important to me. Would I theoretically be better off buying full frame, to get more out of the gear that I already own? Just a theoretic question - thinking out loud here. This thought didn't occur to me earlier. Get the K-1 and don't look back. I got mine (Mark I) for under 900€ with less than 2000 clicks on the shutter. Absolute IQ monster, joy to use, makes all kinds of photography I've attempted (cityscapes/street/landscape/macro/astro/portrait) hassle-free.

09-14-2020, 01:23 AM - 1 Like	#52
yucatanPentax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas / Yucatan Posts: 1,839	Originally posted by Flubber I'm not saying it necessarily will be more expensive than the K-1, but I'm curious why people think it necessarily has to be cheaper, when it packs a lot more new tech, and is a much newer machine? I understand one is a full frame and the other an APS-C, but one is also 4 years newer tech than the other, with a lot of R&D investments to boot. With that said, I'm only going to be delighted if it's much cheaper. That way I'll be able to buy a nice lens with it as well. Newer tech is cheaper tech. As technology advances, it also becomes less expensive. Assuming that the newest thing is the most costly has been proven wrong in the computing field for decades. Along with that, if they want to recoup costs, the best way to do that is in volume sales. They don't have a limitless ceiling for pricing due to competition. (although, whether they ever even consider competition could be debatable). Sure, why not. I'll make a bet: $1400 list price, $1200 intro special. Snap them up, folks!

09-14-2020, 01:29 AM	#53
Flubber Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 150	Originally posted by Serkevan That's about what the KP was going for. I'm fairly certain 1500-1600€ is closer to reality. ---------- Post added 09-14-20 at 01:11 AM ---------- Get the K-1 and don't look back. I got mine (Mark I) for under 900€ with less than 2000 clicks on the shutter. Absolute IQ monster, joy to use, makes all kinds of photography I've attempted (cityscapes/street/landscape/macro/astro/portrait) hassle-free. Very interesting. I will have to look up some used deals, and see what is available. That new limited silver edition also looks amazing..

09-14-2020, 01:33 AM	#54
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Flubber That new limited silver edition also looks amazing.. Guess who's saving for a silver DFA 21 Limited...

09-14-2020, 03:34 AM - 1 Like	#55
nitehntr Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Rivesville West Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 238	i early adopted the K1 at around $1800.00 i cant imagine the K new will even approach that price unless they just don't want to sell very many. i am definitely interested in one as a replacement for my K3 but not at an exorbitant price. i am also saving for the DFA 21mm for my K1

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09-14-2020, 03:53 AM - 1 Like	#56
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by yucatanPentax Newer tech is cheaper tech. As technology advances, it also becomes less expensive. Not until developing costs are covered. The new prism, AF system, sensor + all the other new features costs money. It is cheaper to use old tech long paid for.... ---------- Post added 09-14-20 at 12:55 PM ---------- Originally posted by Flubber I have a question for you guys. Since I said that I was willing to go as high as $2000-$2500, which is K1-II range, would I be better off buying the K1 anyway? Most of my lenses are full frame lenses anyway, and I haven't invested in ApS-c specific lenses. I also only shoot in manual, because I find it fun, so autofocus is not important to me. Would I theoretically be better off buying full frame, to get more out of the gear that I already own? Just a theoretic question - thinking out loud here. This thought didn't occur to me earlier. Impossible to answer. They are two different formats. Which one do you prefer? Only you can answer that. APS is smaller and hence more portable. FF gives better image quality (all thing equal)...... ---------- Post added 09-14-20 at 12:56 PM ---------- BTW I guess the Knew will cost around $2000......

09-14-2020, 03:59 AM	#57
Flubber Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 150	Originally posted by Pål Jensen Not until developing costs are covered. The new prism, AF system, sensor + all the other new features costs money. It is cheaper to use old tech long paid for.... ---------- Post added 09-14-20 at 12:55 PM ---------- Impossible to answer. They are two different formats. Which one do you prefer? Only you can answer that. APS is smaller and hence more portable. FF gives better image quality (all thing equal)...... ---------- Post added 09-14-20 at 12:56 PM ---------- BTW I guess the Knew will cost around $2000...... I have never owned a full frame digital camera, so I can't really compare, but I started out shooting 35mm film cameras. Image quality is for me more important than portability. So I guess that did answer it.. 🙂

09-14-2020, 04:05 AM - 1 Like	#58
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	It should be noted that while it's true that the K-new has to compete it today's market, the D500 didn't launch at $1,500. and launch prices do come down,

09-14-2020, 05:04 AM	#59
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by ffking It should be noted that while it's true that the K-new has to compete it today's market, the D500 didn't launch at $1,500. and launch prices do come down, I guess we forget. Yeah, the D500 initially sold for $2000, body only, and that was 4 years ago.

09-14-2020, 05:27 AM	#60
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,529	Originally posted by mikesbike I was unaware a production copy has been presented for examination. If not, the final product may include some changes over a pre-production concept sample. I didn't write my reply correctly so I'll restate now; When the price of the Knew has dropped to around $1500 at real stores here in the USA, I'll start reaching for my checkbook to buy, but only after I've held one in a store for a bit. My proximity to NY and the time it will take for the price to get down to around $1500 means this is probably happening in mid-2021 or so.