Wait for Pentax New or... ?

zzeitg · 11-13-2020, 12:27 AM

KP is not bad at all, but it's not flagship. My main problem with this camera is ergonomy, which is far from being so good as K-3 or K-1.

**beachgardener** · 11-13-2020, 01:27 AM - **1 Like**

at the price the new one will come in at, for me the upgrade might be to the K-3 II

reh321 · 11-13-2020, 06:14 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by zzeitg

KP is not bad at all, but it's not flagship. My main problem with this camera is ergonomy, which is far from being so good as K-3 or K-1.

I am happy with ergonomics of the KP.

**mikesbike** · 11-13-2020, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Qwntm

Nobody's going to like what I'm going to say: Only 1 UHS-II card slot? Really? For $1600-$1700 USD???

The Fuji XT3 is $999 right now and has 2 UHS II card slots.

Is it really any kind of important thing? Not really. But for the money they are going to want it's sad to see them cutting corners and at not meeting the minimum specifications that are pretty industry standard right now. I'm not sure what else is lacking, I have not looked too deeply into it, but 1 UHS II slot is a bad start. At least for me anyways.

This was a camera I have been looking forward to for 3+ years. Not really doing it for me. Sorry. But we'll see what the reviews say, though I am definitely NOT on the pre-order list so far.

With so much "information" flying around, we still do not know all about the K-3 III. We don't know for sure about GPS being included. We do know for sure that it will have no articulating screen and no built-in flash. This has been stated. But right there in the spec sheet it is shown that it DOES indeed include 2 SD card slots, no doubt accepting of the latest types.

---------- Post added 11-13-20 at 12:23 PM ----------

Originally posted by reh321

I am happy with ergonomics of the KP.

Me too- I love it. And I can alter it according to what I'll be doing.

Last edited by mikesbike; 11-13-2020 at 12:26 PM.

Dan · 11-13-2020, 12:29 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mikesbike

... But right there in the spec sheet it is shown that it DOES indeed include 2 SD card slots, no doubt accepting of the latest types.
...

Right there in the spec sheet it says that both SD-slots do NOT accept the latest types: "UHS-II is slot 1 only"

I don't care about this personally, but I am sure that there are some who will complain.

Dan

Qwntm · 11-13-2020, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by zzeitg

KP is not bad at all, but it's not flagship. My main problem with this camera is ergonomy, which is far from being so good as K-3 or K-1.

KP is actually probably the best APS-c Dslr Pentax has made.

My only small complaint is battery life, but then you can add the grip and get more battery life than you could really want. It is the age old trade off, size vs capability. The KP is a very nice balance between the two with options that are nice.

---------- Post added 11-13-20 at 03:11 PM ----------

Originally posted by Dan

Right there in the spec sheet it says that both SD-slots do NOT accept the latest types: "UHS-II is slot 1 only"

I don't care about this personally, but I am sure that there are some who will complain.

Dan

It really comes down to price. At $995 USD MSRP, I'd be REALLY excited and pre-order 2 ASAP. Seriously.

At anything north of $1200 USD, it's a pass.

(I'm assuming that the AF and other such things will be the usual state of the art from 3-5 years back Pentax new release, as the non UHSII card slot kinda indicates what's in store. IF the camera actually comes in with more like 2020 competitive speed, AF and processing power, then I reserve the right to up my happy price.

)

**aslyfox** · 11-13-2020, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by zzeitg

KP is not bad at all, but it's not flagship. My main problem with this camera is ergonomy, which is far from being so good as K-3 or K-1 . . . .

Originally posted by Qwntm

KP is actually probably the best APS-c Dslr Pentax has made. . . .

the KP is not the best nor the worse, it offers features not found on other Pentax camera bodies but not all need or want those features

it fails to offer features found on other Pentax bodies which some of us want

it is a matter of personal choice and desires

Quote:

Pentax KP Review
Introduction
The Pentax KP is a 24 megapixel APS-C format DSLR camera launched in early 2017 as a premium mid-range model between the upper entry-level K-70 and flagship K-3 II. . .

Read more at: Pentax KP Review - Introduction | PentaxForums.com Reviews

I was lucky enough to win a free KP from the forums

after trying it, I gave it to my son since it did not fit my needs and I preferred my K 3 II and K 3

Last edited by aslyfox; 11-13-2020 at 09:03 PM.

stevebrot · 11-13-2020, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Qwntm

Wrong direction? Hijack? What's with the new normal where anyone who politely dares to disagree with the mob is commiting an offense against humanity?

I dunno...a challenge to the mob was extended in the first sentence. Are you upset that the OP and not the mob responded?

Originally posted by Qwntm

Best of luck with whatever the OP decides.

They are the OP.

Steve

Breakfastographer · 11-13-2020, 06:04 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by aslyfox

is that good

Meant as a compliment, yes.

Qwntm · 11-13-2020, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

I dunno...a challenge to the mob was extended in the first sentence. Are you upset that the OP and not the mob responded?

They are the OP.

Steve

Why the hostility Steve? I am not "upset" in any way shape or form. Seems you are though about something I said, or maybe just the way I said it, or maybe you just don't like me.

And I was responding to both of you, but quoted the OP, a little nit picky, no?

Again, what did I do to get you to focus in on me? Sorry whatever it is.

---------- Post added 11-13-20 at 07:08 PM ----------

Originally posted by aslyfox

the KP is not the best nor the worse, it offers features not found on other Pentax camera bodies but not all need or want those features

it fails to offer features found on other Pentax bodies which some of us want

it is a matter of personal choice and desires

Read more at: Pentax KP Review - Introduction | PentaxForums.com Reviews

I was lucky enough to win a free KP from the forums

I after trying it, I gave it to my son since it did not fit my needs and I preferred my K 3 II and K 3

We all have our opinions.

**luftfluss** · 11-13-2020, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by beachgardener

at the price the new one will come in at, for me the upgrade might be to the K-3 II

I like my K-3 II so much that if I find a good deal on a gently used one next year, I'll buy it.

Breakfastographer · 11-13-2020, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Qwntm

Only 1 UHS-II card slot?

It's the camera industry's way of saying, "we hear you, but we don't agree with you".

See also:

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III
Canon EOS R5
Leica SL
the list probably goes on

All of them have two cards slots with different data rates, meaning one of them slows the camera down more than the other, and you should not use both symetrically if you want maximum speed. Put another way, full speed or full back-up, pick one.

Or get a camera with symmetric slots.

reh321 · 11-13-2020, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by luftfluss

I like my K-3 II so much that if I find a good deal on a gently used one next year, I'll buy it.

I like my KP so much that I have no interest at all in getting another camera body right now.

**luftfluss** · 11-13-2020, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by reh321

I like my KP so much that I have no interest at all in getting another camera body right now.

Different scenario. If your KP met with an unexpected end within the next couple of years, you would likely be able to buy a new one or one lightly used.

The outlook is not so rosy for the older K-3 II.

reh321 · 11-13-2020, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by luftfluss

Different scenario. If your KP met with an unexpected end within the next couple of years, you would likely be able to buy a new one or one lightly used.

The outlook is not so rosy for the older K-3 II.

Pentax is about to announce a replacement for the K-3ii.
If Pentax were teasing a replacement for the KP, and if my KP met with an unexpected end in the next few months, I would use my Q-7 and/or my K-30 for a few months until the first users had the replacement in their hands, and then make a decision.

11-13-2020, 05:16 PM	#38
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Qwntm Wrong direction? Hijack? What's with the new normal where anyone who politely dares to disagree with the mob is commiting an offense against humanity? I dunno...a challenge to the mob was extended in the first sentence. Are you upset that the OP and not the mob responded? Originally posted by Qwntm Best of luck with whatever the OP decides. They are the OP. Steve Last edited by stevebrot; 11-13-2020 at 05:49 PM. Reason: gender neutrality

11-13-2020, 06:16 PM	#42
Breakfastographer Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 673	Originally posted by Qwntm Only 1 UHS-II card slot? It's the camera industry's way of saying, "we hear you, but we don't agree with you". See also: Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III Canon EOS R5 Leica SL the list probably goes on All of them have two cards slots with different data rates, meaning one of them slows the camera down more than the other, and you should not use both symetrically if you want maximum speed. Put another way, full speed or full back-up, pick one. Or get a camera with symmetric slots.

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11-13-2020, 12:27 AM	#31
zzeitg Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: South Bohemia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,017	KP is not bad at all, but it's not flagship. My main problem with this camera is ergonomy, which is far from being so good as K-3 or K-1.

11-13-2020, 01:27 AM - 1 Like	#32
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	at the price the new one will come in at, for me the upgrade might be to the K-3 II

11-13-2020, 06:14 AM - 1 Like	#33
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by zzeitg KP is not bad at all, but it's not flagship. My main problem with this camera is ergonomy, which is far from being so good as K-3 or K-1. I am happy with ergonomics of the KP.

11-13-2020, 12:17 PM	#34
mikesbike Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Southeastern Michigan Posts: 4,562	Originally posted by Qwntm Nobody's going to like what I'm going to say: Only 1 UHS-II card slot? Really? For $1600-$1700 USD??? The Fuji XT3 is $999 right now and has 2 UHS II card slots. Is it really any kind of important thing? Not really. But for the money they are going to want it's sad to see them cutting corners and at not meeting the minimum specifications that are pretty industry standard right now. I'm not sure what else is lacking, I have not looked too deeply into it, but 1 UHS II slot is a bad start. At least for me anyways. This was a camera I have been looking forward to for 3+ years. Not really doing it for me. Sorry. But we'll see what the reviews say, though I am definitely NOT on the pre-order list so far. With so much "information" flying around, we still do not know all about the K-3 III. We don't know for sure about GPS being included. We do know for sure that it will have no articulating screen and no built-in flash. This has been stated. But right there in the spec sheet it is shown that it DOES indeed include 2 SD card slots, no doubt accepting of the latest types. ---------- Post added 11-13-20 at 12:23 PM ---------- Originally posted by reh321 I am happy with ergonomics of the KP. Me too- I love it. And I can alter it according to what I'll be doing. Last edited by mikesbike; 11-13-2020 at 12:26 PM.

11-13-2020, 12:29 PM - 1 Like	#35
Dan Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 325	Originally posted by mikesbike ... But right there in the spec sheet it is shown that it DOES indeed include 2 SD card slots, no doubt accepting of the latest types. ... Right there in the spec sheet it says that both SD-slots do NOT accept the latest types: "UHS-II is slot 1 only" I don't care about this personally, but I am sure that there are some who will complain. Dan

11-13-2020, 02:06 PM	#36
Qwntm Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Eastern Oregon Posts: 856	Originally posted by zzeitg KP is not bad at all, but it's not flagship. My main problem with this camera is ergonomy, which is far from being so good as K-3 or K-1. KP is actually probably the best APS-c Dslr Pentax has made. My only small complaint is battery life, but then you can add the grip and get more battery life than you could really want. It is the age old trade off, size vs capability. The KP is a very nice balance between the two with options that are nice. ---------- Post added 11-13-20 at 03:11 PM ---------- Originally posted by Dan Right there in the spec sheet it says that both SD-slots do NOT accept the latest types: "UHS-II is slot 1 only" I don't care about this personally, but I am sure that there are some who will complain. Dan It really comes down to price. At $995 USD MSRP, I'd be REALLY excited and pre-order 2 ASAP. Seriously. At anything north of $1200 USD, it's a pass. (I'm assuming that the AF and other such things will be the usual state of the art from 3-5 years back Pentax new release, as the non UHSII card slot kinda indicates what's in store. IF the camera actually comes in with more like 2020 competitive speed, AF and processing power, then I reserve the right to up my happy price. )

11-13-2020, 03:29 PM	#37
aslyfox Seeker of Knowledge Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Topeka, Kansas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 24,583	Originally posted by zzeitg KP is not bad at all, but it's not flagship. My main problem with this camera is ergonomy, which is far from being so good as K-3 or K-1 . . . . Originally posted by Qwntm KP is actually probably the best APS-c Dslr Pentax has made. . . . the KP is not the best nor the worse, it offers features not found on other Pentax camera bodies but not all need or want those features it fails to offer features found on other Pentax bodies which some of us want it is a matter of personal choice and desires Quote: Pentax KP Review Introduction The Pentax KP is a 24 megapixel APS-C format DSLR camera launched in early 2017 as a premium mid-range model between the upper entry-level K-70 and flagship K-3 II. . . Read more at: Pentax KP Review - Introduction \| PentaxForums.com Reviews I was lucky enough to win a free KP from the forums after trying it, I gave it to my son since it did not fit my needs and I preferred my K 3 II and K 3 Last edited by aslyfox; 11-13-2020 at 09:03 PM.

11-13-2020, 06:04 PM - 1 Like	#39
Breakfastographer Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 673	Originally posted by aslyfox is that good Meant as a compliment, yes.

11-13-2020, 06:07 PM	#40
Qwntm Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Eastern Oregon Posts: 856	Originally posted by stevebrot I dunno...a challenge to the mob was extended in the first sentence. Are you upset that the OP and not the mob responded? They are the OP. Steve Why the hostility Steve? I am not "upset" in any way shape or form. Seems you are though about something I said, or maybe just the way I said it, or maybe you just don't like me. And I was responding to both of you, but quoted the OP, a little nit picky, no? Again, what did I do to get you to focus in on me? Sorry whatever it is. ---------- Post added 11-13-20 at 07:08 PM ---------- Originally posted by aslyfox the KP is not the best nor the worse, it offers features not found on other Pentax camera bodies but not all need or want those features it fails to offer features found on other Pentax bodies which some of us want it is a matter of personal choice and desires Read more at: Pentax KP Review - Introduction \| PentaxForums.com Reviews I was lucky enough to win a free KP from the forums I after trying it, I gave it to my son since it did not fit my needs and I preferred my K 3 II and K 3 We all have our opinions.

11-13-2020, 06:10 PM	#41
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,627	Originally posted by beachgardener at the price the new one will come in at, for me the upgrade might be to the K-3 II I like my K-3 II so much that if I find a good deal on a gently used one next year, I'll buy it.

11-13-2020, 07:52 PM	#43
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by luftfluss I like my K-3 II so much that if I find a good deal on a gently used one next year, I'll buy it. I like my KP so much that I have no interest at all in getting another camera body right now.

11-13-2020, 08:02 PM	#44
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,627	Originally posted by reh321 I like my KP so much that I have no interest at all in getting another camera body right now. Different scenario. If your KP met with an unexpected end within the next couple of years, you would likely be able to buy a new one or one lightly used. The outlook is not so rosy for the older K-3 II.

11-13-2020, 08:21 PM	#45
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by luftfluss Different scenario. If your KP met with an unexpected end within the next couple of years, you would likely be able to buy a new one or one lightly used. The outlook is not so rosy for the older K-3 II. Pentax is about to announce a replacement for the K-3ii. If Pentax were teasing a replacement for the KP, and if my KP met with an unexpected end in the next few months, I would use my Q-7 and/or my K-30 for a few months until the first users had the replacement in their hands, and then make a decision.