The KP seems to have been discontinued

ncallender · 03-06-2021, 06:56 AM

Stevejo, agreed. Put a 24-36mp ff sensor in a KP body and price it right and I don't see how that wouldn't be an instant win today.

stevejo · 03-06-2021, 07:25 AM

And Nikon managed to squeeze a ff sensor in the Df, and size/shape of that seems to be almost the same as the KP.

**boriscleto** · 03-06-2021, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by stevejo

And Nikon managed to squeeze a ff sensor in the Df, and size/shape of that seems to be almost the same as the KP.

The DF is about 9% bigger and 9% heavier than the KP...

Compare camera dimensions side by side

**pres589** · 03-06-2021, 07:37 AM

If they put a k-mount on the Df I'd already own one. I have a hard time believing Pentax couldn't deliver exactly that but with a more modern sensor like the unit that's in the K-1.

Also the Df controls & ergo's seem extremely good. Honestly it's just the mount that has kept me from buying one. This should be the K-2 assuming that camera exists beyond forum speculation.

gatorguy · 03-06-2021, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

The DF is about 9% bigger and 9% heavier than the KP...

Compare camera dimensions side by side

When looking at the images the size difference is immediately obvious. But who knew the K70 is even smaller than the KP in both weight and volume? I suspected it was, and doing the comparison at your link verifies it.

**ffking** · 03-06-2021, 10:40 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by gatorguy

But who knew the K70 is even smaller than the KP in both weight and volume?

The KP is 100% prettier, though

gatorguy · 03-06-2021, 11:17 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ffking

The KP is 100% prettier, though

It is. While small the K70 is very staid, undistinctive by comparison. I've had at least a couple of other photographers at a shoot ask me what mirrorless camera it is.

stevebrot · 03-06-2021, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by stevejo

And Nikon managed to squeeze a ff sensor in the Df, and size/shape of that seems to be almost the same as the KP.

Originally posted by boriscleto

The DF is about 9% bigger and 9% heavier than the KP...

Compare camera dimensions side by side

Yep...the Df is not particularly petite nor light and the KP is not exactly in the same league bulk-wise as an XT-2 either. (Do we dare compare to the K-3 or the K-70?) Each is what it is and has its strengths.

Steve

(...Would love to see something similar to the Df in K-mount, though perhaps with 24Mpx...)

**boriscleto** · 03-06-2021, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Yep...the Df is not particularly petite nor light and the KP is not exactly in the same league bulk-wise as an XT-2 either. (Do we dare compare to the K-3 or the K-70?) Each is what it is and has its strengths.

Steve

(...Would love to see something similar to the Df in K-mount, though perhaps with 24Mpx...)

The X-T20 is smaller and much lighter than the KP, that's why I just bought one for $400...purely for adapting manual focus lenses in a variety of mounts you can't adapt well on a K-mount body.

que es tu · 03-07-2021, 08:13 AM - **2 Likes**

While I am sad to see the KP go, I guess it was inevitable. I think the KP will go down as a Pentax Classic due to its capabilities and unique aesthetics. I hope Pentax continues to make small, unique cameras and doesn't start making "cookie cutter" cameras like the other guys. The uniqueness is a reason I went with Pentax. I figure if I am carrying a conspicuous camera, I might as well look good doing it!

And the KP DOES look good!!

The KP will probably be fairly scarce on the used market, but when my KP finally needs replacement, I could see myself going for a used one!! If you are on the fence about getting one, do it now while you can still get a new one. The KP is a great camera and unlike anything else on the market!

AfterPentax Mark II · 03-07-2021, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

Moved to the discontinued product section of the Ricoh Imaging website, the Japanese site anyway.

Attachment 527029

In Europe the KP is now on offer through the Ricoh webshop. If you buy a KP they throw in the grip, a bag and a memory card for free. And when I received mine I was pleasantly surprised that I got the kit with the three sizes of the changeable grip. I noticed that dealers and the Ricoh webshop are also out of stock with the 645Z which is on offer with a €2000 discount.

**Biff** · 03-07-2021, 11:40 PM - **1 Like**

I may be way off in saying this, but it seems to me with the popular body and functionality of the KP it would make sense just to update it as the KP II, a camera many know and love, and it would still be well below price and specs of the flagship. Doesn't Fujifilm do something similar? The KP has a lot going for it.

**JensE** · 03-08-2021, 01:27 AM - **1 Like**

I'm afraid the price point for a new KP II would have to be significantly above the current KP prices - which are an absolute bargain, considering the build and sensor quality. I'm rather looking forward to another surprising and creative model in not too distant future. Something that challenges the usually perceived design constraints or trade-offs - which is a good tradition at Pentax.

stevejo · 03-08-2021, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by Biff

I may be way off in saying this, but it seems to me with the popular body and functionality of the KP it would make sense just to update it as the KP II, a camera many know and love, and it would still be well below price and specs of the flagship. Doesn't Fujifilm do something similar? The KP has a lot going for it.

Therein lies the problem I think. The K3iii has to be successful. Even if the KP is a great camera (which it is of course), anyone looking for a new APSc Pentax will have to choose between the K70 and the K3iii. Retaining the KP will necessarily reduce sales of the K3iii so better to kill it off now. Retaining the K70 makes sense as it caters for people who just can't stretch to the K3iii. I am sure that a potential KP replacement may be considered down the line, once the K3iii has had a good run.

I don't think you can fault the sales strategy.

**Digitalis** · 03-08-2021, 02:00 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

Wow! I'm shocked.

As am I, the KP is a very capable camera.

I have no regrets over getting the Silver KP..

03-07-2021, 03:50 PM	#116
AfterPentax Mark II Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 1,458	Originally posted by boriscleto Moved to the discontinued product section of the Ricoh Imaging website, the Japanese site anyway. Attachment 527029 In Europe the KP is now on offer through the Ricoh webshop. If you buy a KP they throw in the grip, a bag and a memory card for free. And when I received mine I was pleasantly surprised that I got the kit with the three sizes of the changeable grip. I noticed that dealers and the Ricoh webshop are also out of stock with the 645Z which is on offer with a €2000 discount. Last edited by AfterPentax Mark II; 03-17-2021 at 09:12 AM. Reason: Adding a little bit of new information about the KP on offer.

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03-06-2021, 06:56 AM	#106
ncallender Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 128	Stevejo, agreed. Put a 24-36mp ff sensor in a KP body and price it right and I don't see how that wouldn't be an instant win today.

03-06-2021, 07:25 AM	#107
stevejo Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Worcestershire, UK Photos: Albums Posts: 527	And Nikon managed to squeeze a ff sensor in the Df, and size/shape of that seems to be almost the same as the KP.

03-06-2021, 07:29 AM	#108
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,473 Original Poster	Originally posted by stevejo And Nikon managed to squeeze a ff sensor in the Df, and size/shape of that seems to be almost the same as the KP. The DF is about 9% bigger and 9% heavier than the KP... Compare camera dimensions side by side

03-06-2021, 07:37 AM	#109
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,528	If they put a k-mount on the Df I'd already own one. I have a hard time believing Pentax couldn't deliver exactly that but with a more modern sensor like the unit that's in the K-1. Also the Df controls & ergo's seem extremely good. Honestly it's just the mount that has kept me from buying one. This should be the K-2 assuming that camera exists beyond forum speculation.

03-06-2021, 08:48 AM	#110
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,089	Originally posted by boriscleto The DF is about 9% bigger and 9% heavier than the KP... Compare camera dimensions side by side When looking at the images the size difference is immediately obvious. But who knew the K70 is even smaller than the KP in both weight and volume? I suspected it was, and doing the comparison at your link verifies it.

03-06-2021, 10:40 AM - 1 Like	#111
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by gatorguy But who knew the K70 is even smaller than the KP in both weight and volume? The KP is 100% prettier, though

03-06-2021, 11:17 AM - 1 Like	#112
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,089	Originally posted by ffking The KP is 100% prettier, though It is. While small the K70 is very staid, undistinctive by comparison. I've had at least a couple of other photographers at a shoot ask me what mirrorless camera it is.

03-06-2021, 03:33 PM	#113
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by stevejo And Nikon managed to squeeze a ff sensor in the Df, and size/shape of that seems to be almost the same as the KP. Originally posted by boriscleto The DF is about 9% bigger and 9% heavier than the KP... Compare camera dimensions side by side Yep...the Df is not particularly petite nor light and the KP is not exactly in the same league bulk-wise as an XT-2 either. (Do we dare compare to the K-3 or the K-70?) Each is what it is and has its strengths. Steve (...Would love to see something similar to the Df in K-mount, though perhaps with 24Mpx...)

03-06-2021, 03:49 PM	#114
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,473 Original Poster	Originally posted by stevebrot Yep...the Df is not particularly petite nor light and the KP is not exactly in the same league bulk-wise as an XT-2 either. (Do we dare compare to the K-3 or the K-70?) Each is what it is and has its strengths. Steve (...Would love to see something similar to the Df in K-mount, though perhaps with 24Mpx...) The X-T20 is smaller and much lighter than the KP, that's why I just bought one for $400...purely for adapting manual focus lenses in a variety of mounts you can't adapt well on a K-mount body.

03-07-2021, 08:13 AM - 2 Likes	#115
que es tu Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Smoky Mountains, NC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,602	While I am sad to see the KP go, I guess it was inevitable. I think the KP will go down as a Pentax Classic due to its capabilities and unique aesthetics. I hope Pentax continues to make small, unique cameras and doesn't start making "cookie cutter" cameras like the other guys. The uniqueness is a reason I went with Pentax. I figure if I am carrying a conspicuous camera, I might as well look good doing it! And the KP DOES look good!! The KP will probably be fairly scarce on the used market, but when my KP finally needs replacement, I could see myself going for a used one!! If you are on the fence about getting one, do it now while you can still get a new one. The KP is a great camera and unlike anything else on the market!

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03-07-2021, 11:40 PM - 1 Like	#117
Biff Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: SF Bay Area Photos: Albums Posts: 1,081	I may be way off in saying this, but it seems to me with the popular body and functionality of the KP it would make sense just to update it as the KP II, a camera many know and love, and it would still be well below price and specs of the flagship. Doesn't Fujifilm do something similar? The KP has a lot going for it.

03-08-2021, 01:27 AM - 1 Like	#118
JensE Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Leipzig Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,964	I'm afraid the price point for a new KP II would have to be significantly above the current KP prices - which are an absolute bargain, considering the build and sensor quality. I'm rather looking forward to another surprising and creative model in not too distant future. Something that challenges the usually perceived design constraints or trade-offs - which is a good tradition at Pentax.

03-08-2021, 01:41 AM	#119
stevejo Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Worcestershire, UK Photos: Albums Posts: 527	Originally posted by Biff I may be way off in saying this, but it seems to me with the popular body and functionality of the KP it would make sense just to update it as the KP II, a camera many know and love, and it would still be well below price and specs of the flagship. Doesn't Fujifilm do something similar? The KP has a lot going for it. Therein lies the problem I think. The K3iii has to be successful. Even if the KP is a great camera (which it is of course), anyone looking for a new APSc Pentax will have to choose between the K70 and the K3iii. Retaining the KP will necessarily reduce sales of the K3iii so better to kill it off now. Retaining the K70 makes sense as it caters for people who just can't stretch to the K3iii. I am sure that a potential KP replacement may be considered down the line, once the K3iii has had a good run. I don't think you can fault the sales strategy.

03-08-2021, 02:00 AM - 1 Like	#120
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock Wow! I'm shocked. As am I, the KP is a very capable camera. I have no regrets over getting the Silver KP..