Will you buy the k3 Mark 3?

gatorguy · 04-07-2021, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by aslyfox

consider spending a little money and renting to get hands on experience

Information on Businesses that offer cameras and lenses for rent - Page 3 - PentaxForums.com

I have found LensRental.com from Tennessee to be good folks

Personally, I wouldn't be hopeful that LensRental will have one to rent. I deal with them several times a year, but Pentax is not very well supported there. I would have rented the new D FA85 by now if they ever decided to put a couple on the shelf, but there are apparently no plans to.

**ThorSanchez** · 04-07-2021, 11:04 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by gatorguy

Personally, I wouldn't be hopeful that LensRental will have one to rent. I deal with them several times a year, but Pentax is not very well supported there. I would have rented the new D FA85 by now if they ever decided to put a couple on the shelf, but there are apparently no plans to.

But aren't they the best/only real option for renting Pentax equipment in the US? Except perhaps a few local shops, of which I have access to none. I've rented multiple times from Lensrentals and they've been very good. Also a couple times from Borrowlenses.com, but they told me they're divesting of Pentax gear and not getting anything new.

**aslyfox** · 04-07-2021, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

But aren't they the best/only real option for renting Pentax equipment in the US? Except perhaps a few local shops, of which I have access to none. I've rented multiple times from Lensrentals and they've been very good. Also a couple times from Borrowlenses.com, but they told me they're divesting of Pentax gear and not getting anything new.

That has been my experience

And they are happy to talk to you on the phone based on my experience

**RobA_Oz** · 04-07-2021, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

But aren't they the best/only real option for renting Pentax equipment in the US? Except perhaps a few local shops, of which I have access to none. I've rented multiple times from Lensrentals and they've been very good. Also a couple times from Borrowlenses.com, but they told me they're divesting of Pentax gear and not getting anything new.

I wonder how a rental scheme based on national distributorships would go. I don’t know of anyone here in Australia who does this for Pentax gear. Given the current low interest rate regime in much of the world, financing costs would be low and there’d always be renters wanting to convert to ownership after a trial period. There’d be setup costs, of course, and insurance premiums involved, not to mention finding a reliable shipping partner, but Ricoh has to find a way to maximise sales of new gear, and getting product into people’s hands is important in this era of online sales.

niklas · 04-07-2021, 05:30 PM

What knowledge is there about the K3iii and it's Deep Learning Image Recognition Subject Tracking System?

**jersey** · 04-07-2021, 10:26 PM

It is the same as deep learning in everything - there is no learning at all. Camera does not have enough computational power to learn anything and there is no constant feed of data to mother company to do learning outside of camera and just get results back over internet.

Unless Ricoh need Deep Learning for other products then most likely it was done by some outside company and Ricoh is getting results it is implementing into camera firmware.

mtkeller · 04-08-2021, 05:11 AM

But it does give them a basis for taking information from further testing about the things that aren't being detected/tracked quite right, feeding that to the deep learning algorithms, and giving us a firmware update to make the AF even better.

**Kobie** · 04-08-2021, 08:11 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by niklas

What knowledge is there about the K3iii and it's Deep Learning Image Recognition Subject Tracking System?

"Deep learning" is probably not what you think it means. Nothing is being learned in the actual camera.
Deep Learning (in basic terms) happens on a powerful computer with an AI algorithm (software code).
They feed the system a huge number of images (say it's people's faces) and they "train" the algorithm to recognize the shapes, patterns, color tones of skin etc with all images of someone facing the camera.
Now they do the same with more people images but this time, the people are facing 45 degrees to the left. They then do it again with more people images facing 45 degrees to the right.
Then they start the process all over again but this time, the people are facing 90 degrees so only the side of their face is in the image. They keep doing this until that software code can start to "learn" and recognize that these are what the focus should be nailing and tracking.
Then they'll feed more images but this time, they'll have the software "learn" that it's eyes it should really focus on. Eventually the software will figure out that if the eye can't be recognized, it will fall back to the facial pattern.
Then they'll feed a bunch of animal images and "train" the software to recognize those as points of focus. Then they'll do a bunch of car images, etc etc.
That's really all deep learning is. But once that data is put into the camera via firmware, the camera itself won't learn anything, but it now has the "smarts" to be able to track more efficiently since the firmware has ALL the information that was taught to it regarding what to recognize and what to do when it recognizes the patterns it knows.

**monochrome** · 04-08-2021, 08:54 PM - **3 Likes**

The Lockdown has changed me
I’m a snapshooter and [was a] Gear Collector. I have ~~enough~~ too many toys

If you are an American, plan for the ¥ / $ exchange rate to go against you.

btnapa · 04-09-2021, 04:02 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by monochrome

I have enough too many toys

+1 on that. The lockdown and aging has changed my perspective on life. I have plenty of "toys," I just need to put them to use or sell them so someone else can put them to use.

gatorguy · 04-09-2021, 04:49 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by btnapa

+1 on that. The lockdown and aging has changed my perspective on life. I have plenty of "toys," I just need to put them to use or sell them so someone else can put them to use.

Buy one and sell two. The lockdown changed my perspective as well. I'll be cutting back on quantity, but doubling down on quality. Two cameras will be enough for me, a K1 and a K3 III. One K-70 might stick around for a few months just to make sure my son doesn't want it.

Next will be culling the lense collection a bit, but that's a little tougher.

**aslyfox** · 04-09-2021, 06:20 AM

Ricoh USA has now listed the K 3 III for sale through them:

Pentax K-1 Mark II Silver Edition - Ricoh

**boriscleto** · 04-09-2021, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by aslyfox

Ricoh USA has now listed the K 3 III for sale through them:

Pentax K-1 Mark II Silver Edition - Ricoh

So the actual MSRP is $2099.95...

**aslyfox** · 04-09-2021, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

So the actual MSRP is $2099.95...

sorry bad eyes

that is the K 1 II

You Tube

Ricoh USA still hasn't listed the K 3 III for sale through them

**Yaki** · 04-09-2021, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

So the actual MSRP is $2099.95...

In my country it is 2045,17 €

but with extended warranty - of 3 or 5 years (not Shure wich is actual)

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gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by aslyfox consider spending a little money and renting to get hands on experience Information on Businesses that offer cameras and lenses for rent - Page 3 - PentaxForums.com I have found LensRental.com from Tennessee to be good folks Personally, I wouldn't be hopeful that LensRental will have one to rent. I deal with them several times a year, but Pentax is not very well supported there. I would have rented the new D FA85 by now if they ever decided to put a couple on the shelf, but there are apparently no plans to.

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ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,806	Originally posted by gatorguy Personally, I wouldn't be hopeful that LensRental will have one to rent. I deal with them several times a year, but Pentax is not very well supported there. I would have rented the new D FA85 by now if they ever decided to put a couple on the shelf, but there are apparently no plans to. But aren't they the best/only real option for renting Pentax equipment in the US? Except perhaps a few local shops, of which I have access to none. I've rented multiple times from Lensrentals and they've been very good. Also a couple times from Borrowlenses.com, but they told me they're divesting of Pentax gear and not getting anything new.

04-07-2021, 11:08 AM	#213
aslyfox Seeker of Knowledge Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Topeka, Kansas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 24,581	Originally posted by ThorSanchez But aren't they the best/only real option for renting Pentax equipment in the US? Except perhaps a few local shops, of which I have access to none. I've rented multiple times from Lensrentals and they've been very good. Also a couple times from Borrowlenses.com, but they told me they're divesting of Pentax gear and not getting anything new. That has been my experience And they are happy to talk to you on the phone based on my experience

04-07-2021, 05:11 PM	#214
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by ThorSanchez But aren't they the best/only real option for renting Pentax equipment in the US? Except perhaps a few local shops, of which I have access to none. I've rented multiple times from Lensrentals and they've been very good. Also a couple times from Borrowlenses.com, but they told me they're divesting of Pentax gear and not getting anything new. I wonder how a rental scheme based on national distributorships would go. I don’t know of anyone here in Australia who does this for Pentax gear. Given the current low interest rate regime in much of the world, financing costs would be low and there’d always be renters wanting to convert to ownership after a trial period. There’d be setup costs, of course, and insurance premiums involved, not to mention finding a reliable shipping partner, but Ricoh has to find a way to maximise sales of new gear, and getting product into people’s hands is important in this era of online sales.

04-07-2021, 05:30 PM	#215
niklas Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 35	What knowledge is there about the K3iii and it's Deep Learning Image Recognition Subject Tracking System?

04-07-2021, 10:26 PM	#216
jersey Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: 3City agglomeration Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,056	It is the same as deep learning in everything - there is no learning at all. Camera does not have enough computational power to learn anything and there is no constant feed of data to mother company to do learning outside of camera and just get results back over internet. Unless Ricoh need Deep Learning for other products then most likely it was done by some outside company and Ricoh is getting results it is implementing into camera firmware.

04-08-2021, 05:11 AM	#217
mtkeller Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Sioux City, IA Photos: Gallery Posts: 938	But it does give them a basis for taking information from further testing about the things that aren't being detected/tracked quite right, feeding that to the deep learning algorithms, and giving us a firmware update to make the AF even better.

04-08-2021, 08:11 PM - 1 Like	#218
Kobie Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Bowmanville Photos: Albums Posts: 1,211	Originally posted by niklas What knowledge is there about the K3iii and it's Deep Learning Image Recognition Subject Tracking System? "Deep learning" is probably not what you think it means. Nothing is being learned in the actual camera. Deep Learning (in basic terms) happens on a powerful computer with an AI algorithm (software code). They feed the system a huge number of images (say it's people's faces) and they "train" the algorithm to recognize the shapes, patterns, color tones of skin etc with all images of someone facing the camera. Now they do the same with more people images but this time, the people are facing 45 degrees to the left. They then do it again with more people images facing 45 degrees to the right. Then they start the process all over again but this time, the people are facing 90 degrees so only the side of their face is in the image. They keep doing this until that software code can start to "learn" and recognize that these are what the focus should be nailing and tracking. Then they'll feed more images but this time, they'll have the software "learn" that it's eyes it should really focus on. Eventually the software will figure out that if the eye can't be recognized, it will fall back to the facial pattern. Then they'll feed a bunch of animal images and "train" the software to recognize those as points of focus. Then they'll do a bunch of car images, etc etc. That's really all deep learning is. But once that data is put into the camera via firmware, the camera itself won't learn anything, but it now has the "smarts" to be able to track more efficiently since the firmware has ALL the information that was taught to it regarding what to recognize and what to do when it recognizes the patterns it knows.

04-09-2021, 04:02 AM - 2 Likes	#220
btnapa Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,616	Originally posted by monochrome I have enough too many toys +1 on that. The lockdown and aging has changed my perspective on life. I have plenty of "toys," I just need to put them to use or sell them so someone else can put them to use.

04-09-2021, 04:49 AM - 1 Like	#221
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by btnapa +1 on that. The lockdown and aging has changed my perspective on life. I have plenty of "toys," I just need to put them to use or sell them so someone else can put them to use. Buy one and sell two. The lockdown changed my perspective as well. I'll be cutting back on quantity, but doubling down on quality. Two cameras will be enough for me, a K1 and a K3 III. One K-70 might stick around for a few months just to make sure my son doesn't want it. Next will be culling the lense collection a bit, but that's a little tougher.

04-09-2021, 06:20 AM	#222
aslyfox Seeker of Knowledge Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Topeka, Kansas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 24,581	Ricoh USA has now listed the K 3 III for sale through them: Pentax K-1 Mark II Silver Edition - Ricoh

04-09-2021, 06:28 AM	#223
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by aslyfox Ricoh USA has now listed the K 3 III for sale through them: Pentax K-1 Mark II Silver Edition - Ricoh So the actual MSRP is $2099.95...

04-09-2021, 07:30 AM	#225
Yaki Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Sofia Posts: 951	Originally posted by boriscleto So the actual MSRP is $2099.95... In my country it is 2045,17 € but with extended warranty - of 3 or 5 years (not Shure wich is actual)