Firmware updates general

**jatrax** · 07-20-2021, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by vonBaloney

Yeah, not much risk. But the risk the does exist is probably not even "from" Ricoh, rather just from user error (like interrupting power in the middle of update accidentally), etc.

Good point. Though Ricoh does a good job of not allowing you do to the update unless the battery is fully charged. Not sure how you would interrupt the process but I guess you could remove the battery or the card while its updating.

dbs · 07-20-2021, 07:17 PM

Firmware updates .. yes I should do them ( none of my cameras have been ) ... but .. Not by me, I have done too many ' things ' to computers my IT mate just now says , let me have a look and how did you do that?

Dave

pschlute · 07-20-2021, 09:45 PM

I was playing devil's advocate by asking "what risk", as I am aware of the consequences of a firmware update failure.

My whole career was based around risk and managing it. I find it a fascinating and misunderstood subject in general. The pandemic that the world is battling at the moment and the vaccines are a case in point. I have seen friends agonise over whether to get vaccinated, and be keen to know which vaccine variant they will get, before blithely doing the most risky thing they will do that day.....hopping into their car to drive to the vaccine centre !

**BigMackCam** · 07-20-2021, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by aslyfox

so would you jump off a cliff if Mike did it ?

That's an odd response, Allen

Peter and I happen to get on well, we've exchanged opinions and advice before outside forum threads, and we respect each other's views. That's all...

Last edited by BigMackCam; 07-20-2021 at 10:06 PM.

**Cerebum** · 07-20-2021, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

That's an odd response, Allen

Peter and I happen to get on well, we've exchanged opinions and advice before outside forum threads, and we respect each other's views. That's all...

@Aslyfox Mike is a voice I trust

he introduced the idea of getting a 35mm f2 (gorgeous lens) and has never led me astray when I was uncertain about something. If he jumped off a cliff I would certainly be looking round to see if there was a large, hungry dinosaur approaching

---------- Post added 20-07-21 at 10:23 PM ----------

Originally posted by ramseybuckeye

Thanks for letting us know the new Firmware is available, just did my KPs. I'm guessing these are only for that new lens. Which makes me wonder what is the new lens doing that a firmware update is needed. If you look at the lens page it says it is compatible with the KAF4 mount cameras (back to K-50), but it also states with a firmware update. So I guess there will be some additional firmware updates coming out, since these seem to only go back to the K-70. Either the focus motor is different than the 55-300, or the aperture motor is different than the other KAF4 lenses. It doesn't really make a difference, just interesting.

I think this update goes all the way back (I did my K3). More would be nice as there is stuff on the K3iii that I would love to see on the KP, if possible

**jbinpg** · 07-20-2021, 10:41 PM

Thanks for the heads up. Upgraded K-3, K-70 and K-1. All fine after.

**Cerebum** · 07-20-2021, 10:54 PM

I am out with my k3 and KP, no issues to report. I initially thought the KP was snappier to start up but don't quote me on it

**Michail_P** · 07-21-2021, 02:01 AM

So updating the firmware by the book is still safe enough, with a minimum amount of risk involved. It’s always the preferred choice.

**microlight** · 07-21-2021, 02:05 AM

Thanks for the heads-up. K-3II updated from 1.11 to 1.12 with no issues.

**aslyfox** · 07-21-2021, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

That's an odd response, Allen

Peter and I happen to get on well, we've exchanged opinions and advice before outside forum threads, and we respect each other's views. That's all...

Originally posted by Cerebum

@Aslyfox Mike is a voice I trust

he introduced the idea of getting a 35mm f2 (gorgeous lens) and has never led me astray when I was uncertain about something. If he jumped off a cliff I would certainly be looking round to see if there was a large, hungry dinosaur approaching

. . .

sorry about my poor attempt at humour I meant to cause no offense

**BigMackCam** · 07-21-2021, 03:07 AM

Originally posted by aslyfox

sorry about my poor attempt at humour I meant to cause no offense

No problem, Allen. I appreciate the reply

Ishpuini · 07-21-2021, 04:31 AM

Given that I have pre-ordered the new DA*16-50 PLM, I need to have all my cameras ready, and that includes the two K-3 IIs next to the new K-3 III. Not sure I will ever use it on these mark IIs though. The most beaten up one is a back-up that I'll probably rarely use, and the other has been converted to full spectrum for infrared, and the newer lenses/coatings are notably bad for infrared because of prominent internal reflection of infrared light causing hotspots. Seeing the graphs that show the new coating's effect, I'm not expecting much in infrared from the new 16-50... But the upgrade needs to be done...

... and has been done successfully!

Sandy Hancock · 07-21-2021, 04:42 AM - **1 Like**

The risk is negligible. Like Mike, I have upgraded the firmware every time for every digital camera I have owned. Just done for the KP and K-3 Mark III, and both my K-1 Mark II bodies.

I have also jumped off more cliffs than I care to remember

**Cerebum** · 07-21-2021, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by aslyfox

sorry about my poor attempt at humour I meant to cause no offense

Oh I never take offence because I know you're one of the good guys

07-21-2021, 04:42 AM - 1 Like	#28
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,275	The risk is negligible. Like Mike, I have upgraded the firmware every time for every digital camera I have owned. Just done for the KP and K-3 Mark III, and both my K-1 Mark II bodies. I have also jumped off more cliffs than I care to remember Last edited by Sandy Hancock; 07-21-2021 at 04:49 AM.

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07-20-2021, 06:21 PM	#16
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by vonBaloney Yeah, not much risk. But the risk the does exist is probably not even "from" Ricoh, rather just from user error (like interrupting power in the middle of update accidentally), etc. Good point. Though Ricoh does a good job of not allowing you do to the update unless the battery is fully charged. Not sure how you would interrupt the process but I guess you could remove the battery or the card while its updating.

07-20-2021, 07:17 PM	#17
dbs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Clare Valley S A Photos: Albums Posts: 7,565	Firmware updates .. yes I should do them ( none of my cameras have been ) ... but .. Not by me, I have done too many ' things ' to computers my IT mate just now says , let me have a look and how did you do that? Dave

07-20-2021, 09:45 PM	#18
pschlute Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Surrey, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,210	I was playing devil's advocate by asking "what risk", as I am aware of the consequences of a firmware update failure. My whole career was based around risk and managing it. I find it a fascinating and misunderstood subject in general. The pandemic that the world is battling at the moment and the vaccines are a case in point. I have seen friends agonise over whether to get vaccinated, and be keen to know which vaccine variant they will get, before blithely doing the most risky thing they will do that day.....hopping into their car to drive to the vaccine centre !

07-20-2021, 09:52 PM	#19
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,681	Originally posted by aslyfox so would you jump off a cliff if Mike did it ? That's an odd response, Allen Peter and I happen to get on well, we've exchanged opinions and advice before outside forum threads, and we respect each other's views. That's all... Last edited by BigMackCam; 07-20-2021 at 10:06 PM.

07-20-2021, 10:19 PM	#20
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,829 Original Poster	Originally posted by BigMackCam That's an odd response, Allen Peter and I happen to get on well, we've exchanged opinions and advice before outside forum threads, and we respect each other's views. That's all... @Aslyfox Mike is a voice I trust he introduced the idea of getting a 35mm f2 (gorgeous lens) and has never led me astray when I was uncertain about something. If he jumped off a cliff I would certainly be looking round to see if there was a large, hungry dinosaur approaching ---------- Post added 20-07-21 at 10:23 PM ---------- Originally posted by ramseybuckeye Thanks for letting us know the new Firmware is available, just did my KPs. I'm guessing these are only for that new lens. Which makes me wonder what is the new lens doing that a firmware update is needed. If you look at the lens page it says it is compatible with the KAF4 mount cameras (back to K-50), but it also states with a firmware update. So I guess there will be some additional firmware updates coming out, since these seem to only go back to the K-70. Either the focus motor is different than the 55-300, or the aperture motor is different than the other KAF4 lenses. It doesn't really make a difference, just interesting. I think this update goes all the way back (I did my K3). More would be nice as there is stuff on the K3iii that I would love to see on the KP, if possible

07-20-2021, 10:41 PM	#21
jbinpg Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Prince George, BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,546	Thanks for the heads up. Upgraded K-3, K-70 and K-1. All fine after.

07-20-2021, 10:54 PM	#22
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,829 Original Poster	I am out with my k3 and KP, no issues to report. I initially thought the KP was snappier to start up but don't quote me on it

07-21-2021, 02:01 AM	#23
Michail_P Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Kalymnos Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,006	So updating the firmware by the book is still safe enough, with a minimum amount of risk involved. It’s always the preferred choice.

07-21-2021, 02:05 AM	#24
microlight Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,129	Thanks for the heads-up. K-3II updated from 1.11 to 1.12 with no issues.

07-21-2021, 03:05 AM	#25
aslyfox Seeker of Knowledge Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Topeka, Kansas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 24,582	Originally posted by BigMackCam That's an odd response, Allen Peter and I happen to get on well, we've exchanged opinions and advice before outside forum threads, and we respect each other's views. That's all... Originally posted by Cerebum @Aslyfox Mike is a voice I trust he introduced the idea of getting a 35mm f2 (gorgeous lens) and has never led me astray when I was uncertain about something. If he jumped off a cliff I would certainly be looking round to see if there was a large, hungry dinosaur approaching . . . sorry about my poor attempt at humour I meant to cause no offense

07-21-2021, 03:07 AM	#26
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,681	Originally posted by aslyfox sorry about my poor attempt at humour I meant to cause no offense No problem, Allen. I appreciate the reply

07-21-2021, 04:31 AM	#27
Ishpuini Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,727	Given that I have pre-ordered the new DA*16-50 PLM, I need to have all my cameras ready, and that includes the two K-3 IIs next to the new K-3 III. Not sure I will ever use it on these mark IIs though. The most beaten up one is a back-up that I'll probably rarely use, and the other has been converted to full spectrum for infrared, and the newer lenses/coatings are notably bad for infrared because of prominent internal reflection of infrared light causing hotspots. Seeing the graphs that show the new coating's effect, I'm not expecting much in infrared from the new 16-50... But the upgrade needs to be done... ... and has been done successfully!

07-21-2021, 04:53 AM	#29
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,829 Original Poster	Originally posted by aslyfox sorry about my poor attempt at humour I meant to cause no offense Oh I never take offence because I know you're one of the good guys