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10-06-2021, 04:00 AM   #1
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FF vs. APSC

Hi All,

I do realize that this is relatively frequently asked question but answer depends on available equipment.

I wonder what set would give overall better quality - K-1 with dfa24-70 or new K-3III with new da*16-50. K-1 is a real monster in terms of IQ but the lens itself is just good only whereas the new da*16-50 seems to be one of the best apsc zooms whenever made. Better body with worse lens or better lens with little bit worse body?

Your opinions on that dear Pentaxians?

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The one that would give the best quality would be the one being used by the most talented photographer.
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IQ of cameras has far surpassed the requirement. Almost every APS-C lens is cheaper than its counterparts both new and used. Pentax is an APS-C specialist. Save the money. Save on the weight.

You’ll have savings on every purchase for your camera ever. You’ll have less load to carry for every photo ever. Not only, you’d get better aurofocus and just a newer camera in general. Go for K3-iii its a no brainer.

Full frame offers little to no image quality benefit unless you’re printing extremely large pictures of things that cannot be taken with pixel shift.
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Any of those kits would give you superb pictures. I have no experience of the new DA* 16-50 (i did own the original), but in what respect do you think the 24-70 is worse ?

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I very much doubt that finished results from both cameras could be distinguished in practice unless printing very big. Even then I doubt the difference would be staggeringly obvious.
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Question for the OP

Why do you think the K 3 III is worse than the K 1

Each are good depending on your photographic goals
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Paolo, what do want to do with the camera? Landscapes? Crowd pictures? Night shots? City scapes? Are you travelling with it? Will you use a tripod?
The Sony sensor is newer in the K3 III and has slightly lower dark current, so a bit less noise at high ISO.
What you want to do could drive the answer in a different direction.

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I’m using several different formats including 1” sensor cameras. The reality is that while pixel peeping easily shows differences and the marginal capabilities of smaller sensors are constrained to a degree, the finished output is hard to tell the difference between except at the edge cases.

At the level these cameras are at, you really need to decide what you want to get from them and what lenses appeal more than what one body or another doesn’t do as well.

On the k3iii side: much faster frames per second, tighter angle of view with higher pixel density making the limited long lenses available more suitable for wildlife photography, good availability of a wide angle zoom with filter capability, size, weight, updated functionality with manual aperture lenses, etc.

On the k1ii side: more vintage wide angle options, more total resolution for frame filling shots, better non accelerated dynamic range for landscape work, really useful twisting screen, well known longevity, etc.

If the 16-50 plm appeals more than the 24-70 - and your use doesn’t require features that only the k1ii offers then get the k3iii - or if there are k1ii features that are must have, decide if the 24-70 is something you can live with or skip the normal range zoom.
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what @UncleVanya and @ProfessorBuzz just posted

how do you intend on using your cameras may determine your best choices
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I make landscapes, nature etc. Currently I own KP which serves me very well but I simply think of the future. New da*16-50 appeals me much more than rebranded Tamron but if I bought it I would have to stay with apsc as a natural consequence of this choice (and end up with something like K-3III in the feature ;-)). As the purchase is not finalized yet I'm considering all possible options (the best one would be to acquire K-1II with set of three amigos :-D)

As I travel a lot I even thought about mirrorless but based on experience of my friend with Sony A7II who permanently bothers with dirty/dusty sensor I decided to stay with dslr.
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QuoteOriginally posted by aslyfox Quote
Question for the OP

Why do you think the K 3 III is worse than the K 1

Each are good depending on your photographic goals
I'd argue - Either of those are essentially good enough for 99.9% of any photographic goal he may have in mind. There is simply not that many situations K-1 ii can handle and the K-3 iii can't. It would be neigh impossible to distinguish K3 III photos from K1 ii photos as both can get the photographer what he or she wants.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Paulo Quote
As the purchase is not finalized yet I'm considering all possible options (the best one would be to acquire K-1II with set of three amigos :-D)
From your request, I read behind the lines that money is not really a problem? And also that photography is for you a hobby (not a job)?
In that case, I'd say go with what really makes YOU happy: FF vs APSC body, primes vs zooms, many options are available... and only you can know what you really want
Because, as others have very well said:
QuoteOriginally posted by brainwave Quote
Either of those are essentially good enough for 99.9% of any photographic goal
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I very much doubt that finished results from both cameras could be distinguished in practice unless printing very big. Even then I doubt the difference would be staggeringly obvious.
If compact is the goal (travelling), staying with the KP should be a serious consideration as well! No FF body from Pentax anywhare in the future is expected to be as portable as that.
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Really boils down to the size you'd be printing, how much of your work is done in very low light, other possible lenses, and what is the ratio between landscape and "nature".

Big prints (16x20 is no longer a big print, btw), very frequent very low light work, use of other FF lenses, and balance towards landscape would all point towards the K1 combo.

Variance from above plus more action shots would indicate the K3III combo I think.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Paulo Quote
I make landscapes, nature etc. Currently I own KP which serves me very well but I simply think of the future. New da*16-50 appeals me much more than rebranded Tamron but if I bought it I would have to stay with apsc as a natural consequence of this choice (and end up with something like K-3III in the feature ;-)). As the purchase is not finalized yet I'm considering all possible options (the best one would be to acquire K-1II with set of three amigos :-D)

As I travel a lot I even thought about mirrorless but based on experience of my friend with Sony A7II who permanently bothers with dirty/dusty sensor I decided to stay with dslr.
If I were you, Paulo, I'd keep the KP and buy the DA*16-50, knowing that you can buy the K-3III at some future date if and when you need its specific features or your KP dies. Whilst the K-3III does offer some IQ benefit over the KP, it's not that much of a difference... arguably not enough to upgrade for that alone. Plus, your KP has an articulating screen, which you might miss...
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I tend to agree that in my case KP + da*16-50 would be more reasonable option but... guys, have you never heard the voice of that little devil whispering softly to your ear "buy K-1"? You know what I mean :-D I had some opportunities to play with K-1 and was amazed by it... soooo, tough decision indeed, have to toss a coin ;-))
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