I will be very weary of buying Pentax again

davebris33 · 12-11-2008, 05:18 PM

Yup,

I am weary of people who can't spell too, it's such a drag.

What a silly post, I bought my k10 for £699 with a 300mm lens (that's not a 'lense', incidentally) and the kit 18mm. That's $1400 at the time of buying. And I think I have had in two years about a thousand hours of fun with it.

What costs less than $1.50 an hour for such deep and engrossing entertainment these days?

Even a quick encounter costs more than that in drinks and dinner ;-)

jct us101 · 12-11-2008, 05:31 PM

Can we stop the flaming please? I think everyone gets it.

cpopham · 12-11-2008, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by djayvo

Out side of this I never heard of any electronic device going up in value.

There is also a thriving market for certain types of older computer for certain applications, typically industrial control.

maleek · 12-11-2008, 06:49 PM

You could look on photography as a constant loss as your camera house is bound to be worthless in just a few years. But that is looking at things slightly the wrong way. I've used my K100D for about two years. Two years of growing and maturing as an amateur photographer into someone who at least could be viewed as knowing my way around a DSLR.

I am personally thinking about eventually taking advantage of the situation of prices plummeting in buying the previous generation of Pentax when prices plummet. When the follower of the K20D hits the streets I will see if I can get my hands on the former.

Stratman · 12-11-2008, 07:34 PM

Anyone noticed that the OP has not responded at all? haha. Just think about when you buy a new car, how much value do you lose the instant you drive it off of the lot? Things lose value the older they get, and especially when the next "gotta have" replacement is announced, that's the way it is.....

marcdsgn · 12-11-2008, 07:37 PM

Think like a stockmarket analyst.

Buy your camera, watch its value plummet, choose not to sell it but instead use it for as long as possible until it dies. Chances are you will lose less money than if you sell and upgrade. You just need to establish what, if any, advantages you will gain* from upgrading and weigh it against the advantages gained from your current camera.

*NB: This is different to establishing advantages available with an upgrade, but which you may never utilize, in which case, you've lost on the deal!)

shutterpuppy · 12-11-2008, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by Stratman

Anyone noticed that the OP has not responded at all? haha. Just think about when you buy a new car, how much value do you lose the instant you drive it off of the lot? Things lose value the older they get, and especially when the next "gotta have" replacement is announced, that's the way it is.....

I had that "gotta have it" mentality when I "upgraded" from Windows 98 to Windows ME in 2001. Biggest blunder I ever made. I couldn't even downgrade back to Windows 98 unless I wanted to start from scratch which was gonna be a major hassle for me to deal with, so I said "screw it" Now, I heard my 2 year old puter with "XP" is better than if I upgrade to "Vista" I'm I gonna upgrade this time? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Barry

PollitowuzHere · 12-11-2008, 08:08 PM

I feel burnt too because the K20 is at $500 and I bought my K10 at the beggining of the year for $600! But then again, I'll just take it out to shoot instead of whining about it.

Igilligan · 12-11-2008, 08:29 PM

We should be thankful...
Finally someone is only complaining about the resell value of the K10d and not the:

AF speed + Tracking focus ability
Noisy Hi ISO above ISO 400
FF/BF issues
VPN
Unlevel Viewfinder alignment
Under/over exposure with older MF lenses
Soft Jpegs
Slow FPS
Raw Write times
-edit-
Poor Auto WB
_____________ ADD YOUR's HERE...

And 'Pity the fools'....
The K20d with Kit was at $699 the other night at Adorama... imagine the poor folks who paid full retail for it just a few months ago, and have had months of enjoyment and beautiful photos from it.
As a short or long term investment, these pentax cameras _________!

Captquin · 12-11-2008, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Very burned I feel.

Is Mrwho really Yoda???

He hasn't posted again in this thread, so I doubt he really cares. At any rate it's a "paper loss" just like home or stock depreciation. There's no actual loss until you sell. I've traditionally had a problem with buyer's remorse. I'd get pumped about going skiing, then feel guilty about spending the money and barely enjoy my trip. Not cool. I've since learned NOT to price check after making a purchase. Do your research, make your purchase, and enjoy.

drewdlephone · 12-11-2008, 08:36 PM

Technology does that.

stevebrot · 12-11-2008, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by cpopham

That's a big overdramatic, don't you think. It's not really a vast conspiracy - with most products there is a target lifespan, but this is mostly due to controlling unit cost. You might be happy to pay more for a camera which will last longer, but how many others will?

It is no more over-dramatic than complaining about depreciation! I agree that it is not a conspiracy. Rather...it is a fact of life when it comes to consumer electronics and with good reason. Consider the early Wang word processors and IBM PCs. They were overbuilt (except, perhaps for the hard drives) and while still very serviceable, most were retired within their service life because of obsolescence.

Quote:

With regards to repair, remember that most modern electronics are manufactured on partially, or fully automated production lines, with inventory delivered on a just in time basis.

To support servicing requires a stock of spare parts, sitting there, costing money while they wait to be useful. It also requires the time of a skilled human to repair the item. Given how aggressively manufacturing costs are minimised, is it really surprising that repair isn't economical for most of these items?

I could not agree more. Your explanation is one of the clearest I have read on this matter.

Quote:

To give a parallel example, my day job is as a software developer (specialised business software). Generally, whenever any performance issues crop up, it is better value to simply buy faster hardware than it is to look at altering the software. Crazy? Yes, but the market wants the best return on investment, and that is how it is achieved.

I too, develop software for a vertical market...strangely enough they always expect me to make the hardware run better...go figure!

The point of my post was to remind people that their cameras are tools. Well-made tools, but tools, none-the-less. They also happen to be tools that have (for all practical purposes) parts that wear out and are non-replaceable. So rather than cry about depreciation, maybe we should always buy for the best value, get good use for our money, and not worry about how much the next guy is paying for the same item six months later.

Steve

SpecialK · 12-11-2008, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Unlevel Viewfinder alignment

That is not limited to only the K10D. My K100D and K20D list to the right a few degrees. I think the K20D is worse.
Attachment 23784

Crikey!

SpecialK · 12-11-2008, 09:19 PM

Quote:

I've since learned NOT to price check after making a purchase. Do your research, make your purchase, and enjoy.

Right on. I waited a couple months to avoid seeing how much I "lost" on my K20D. Well, it was $300 plus a lens a couple days ago...Shrug.

nostatic · 12-11-2008, 09:41 PM

Strange exception to the rule - Leica D-Lux3s have on occasion been selling for *more* used than they cost new. Odd, especially since it is mostly a Panasonic but go figure. I gave my DL3 to my g/f when I bought the D-Lux4. Yes, I drank the koolaid but it is the best compact I've shot with and low light performance is amazing. 3 year warranty is a plus.

Back to the point - buy stuff to use, not to resell. It makes life a lot more pleasant. The best way to be miserable is to worry about resale value and spend all your time shooting pictures of brick walls and newspapers to pixel peep...

12-11-2008, 09:16 PM	#58
SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,481	Quote: Unlevel Viewfinder alignment That is not limited to only the K10D. My K100D and K20D list to the right a few degrees. I think the K20D is worse. Attachment 23784 Crikey! Last edited by SpecialK; 09-05-2016 at 06:27 PM.

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12-11-2008, 05:18 PM	#46
davebris33 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bristol UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 140	Yup, I am weary of people who can't spell too, it's such a drag. What a silly post, I bought my k10 for £699 with a 300mm lens (that's not a 'lense', incidentally) and the kit 18mm. That's $1400 at the time of buying. And I think I have had in two years about a thousand hours of fun with it. What costs less than $1.50 an hour for such deep and engrossing entertainment these days? Even a quick encounter costs more than that in drinks and dinner ;-)

12-11-2008, 05:31 PM	#47
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,793	Can we stop the flaming please? I think everyone gets it.

12-11-2008, 06:01 PM	#48
cpopham Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Auckland Posts: 553	Originally posted by djayvo Out side of this I never heard of any electronic device going up in value. There is also a thriving market for certain types of older computer for certain applications, typically industrial control.

12-11-2008, 06:49 PM	#49
maleek Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Karlstad, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 222	You could look on photography as a constant loss as your camera house is bound to be worthless in just a few years. But that is looking at things slightly the wrong way. I've used my K100D for about two years. Two years of growing and maturing as an amateur photographer into someone who at least could be viewed as knowing my way around a DSLR. I am personally thinking about eventually taking advantage of the situation of prices plummeting in buying the previous generation of Pentax when prices plummet. When the follower of the K20D hits the streets I will see if I can get my hands on the former.

12-11-2008, 07:34 PM	#50
Stratman Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: St Louis, Missouri U S A Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,464	Anyone noticed that the OP has not responded at all? haha. Just think about when you buy a new car, how much value do you lose the instant you drive it off of the lot? Things lose value the older they get, and especially when the next "gotta have" replacement is announced, that's the way it is.....

12-11-2008, 07:37 PM	#51
marcdsgn Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Queensland Photos: Gallery Posts: 265	Think like a stockmarket analyst. Buy your camera, watch its value plummet, choose not to sell it but instead use it for as long as possible until it dies. Chances are you will lose less money than if you sell and upgrade. You just need to establish what, if any, advantages you will gain* from upgrading and weigh it against the advantages gained from your current camera. *NB: This is different to establishing advantages available with an upgrade, but which you may never utilize, in which case, you've lost on the deal!)

12-11-2008, 07:44 PM	#52
shutterpuppy Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 319	Originally posted by Stratman Anyone noticed that the OP has not responded at all? haha. Just think about when you buy a new car, how much value do you lose the instant you drive it off of the lot? Things lose value the older they get, and especially when the next "gotta have" replacement is announced, that's the way it is..... I had that "gotta have it" mentality when I "upgraded" from Windows 98 to Windows ME in 2001. Biggest blunder I ever made. I couldn't even downgrade back to Windows 98 unless I wanted to start from scratch which was gonna be a major hassle for me to deal with, so I said "screw it" Now, I heard my 2 year old puter with "XP" is better than if I upgrade to "Vista" I'm I gonna upgrade this time? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Barry

12-11-2008, 08:08 PM	#53
PollitowuzHere Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 110	I feel burnt too because the K20 is at $500 and I bought my K10 at the beggining of the year for $600! But then again, I'll just take it out to shoot instead of whining about it.

12-11-2008, 08:29 PM	#54
Igilligan Guest	We should be thankful... Finally someone is only complaining about the resell value of the K10d and not the: AF speed + Tracking focus ability Noisy Hi ISO above ISO 400 FF/BF issues VPN Unlevel Viewfinder alignment Under/over exposure with older MF lenses Soft Jpegs Slow FPS Raw Write times -edit- Poor Auto WB _____________ ADD YOUR's HERE... And 'Pity the fools'.... The K20d with Kit was at $699 the other night at Adorama... imagine the poor folks who paid full retail for it just a few months ago, and have had months of enjoyment and beautiful photos from it. As a short or long term investment, these pentax cameras _________!

12-11-2008, 08:34 PM	#55
Captquin New Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 14	Quote: Very burned I feel. Is Mrwho really Yoda??? He hasn't posted again in this thread, so I doubt he really cares. At any rate it's a "paper loss" just like home or stock depreciation. There's no actual loss until you sell. I've traditionally had a problem with buyer's remorse. I'd get pumped about going skiing, then feel guilty about spending the money and barely enjoy my trip. Not cool. I've since learned NOT to price check after making a purchase. Do your research, make your purchase, and enjoy.

12-11-2008, 08:36 PM	#56
drewdlephone Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Nanaimo, BC Posts: 261	Technology does that.

12-11-2008, 09:09 PM	#57
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by cpopham That's a big overdramatic, don't you think. It's not really a vast conspiracy - with most products there is a target lifespan, but this is mostly due to controlling unit cost. You might be happy to pay more for a camera which will last longer, but how many others will? It is no more over-dramatic than complaining about depreciation! I agree that it is not a conspiracy. Rather...it is a fact of life when it comes to consumer electronics and with good reason. Consider the early Wang word processors and IBM PCs. They were overbuilt (except, perhaps for the hard drives) and while still very serviceable, most were retired within their service life because of obsolescence. Quote: With regards to repair, remember that most modern electronics are manufactured on partially, or fully automated production lines, with inventory delivered on a just in time basis. To support servicing requires a stock of spare parts, sitting there, costing money while they wait to be useful. It also requires the time of a skilled human to repair the item. Given how aggressively manufacturing costs are minimised, is it really surprising that repair isn't economical for most of these items? I could not agree more. Your explanation is one of the clearest I have read on this matter. Quote: To give a parallel example, my day job is as a software developer (specialised business software). Generally, whenever any performance issues crop up, it is better value to simply buy faster hardware than it is to look at altering the software. Crazy? Yes, but the market wants the best return on investment, and that is how it is achieved. I too, develop software for a vertical market...strangely enough they always expect me to make the hardware run better...go figure! The point of my post was to remind people that their cameras are tools. Well-made tools, but tools, none-the-less. They also happen to be tools that have (for all practical purposes) parts that wear out and are non-replaceable. So rather than cry about depreciation, maybe we should always buy for the best value, get good use for our money, and not worry about how much the next guy is paying for the same item six months later. Steve

12-11-2008, 09:19 PM	#59
SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,481	Quote: I've since learned NOT to price check after making a purchase. Do your research, make your purchase, and enjoy. Right on. I waited a couple months to avoid seeing how much I "lost" on my K20D. Well, it was $300 plus a lens a couple days ago...Shrug.

12-11-2008, 09:41 PM	#60
nostatic Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: socal Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,575	Strange exception to the rule - Leica D-Lux3s have on occasion been selling for more used than they cost new. Odd, especially since it is mostly a Panasonic but go figure. I gave my DL3 to my g/f when I bought the D-Lux4. Yes, I drank the koolaid but it is the best compact I've shot with and low light performance is amazing. 3 year warranty is a plus. Back to the point - buy stuff to use, not to resell. It makes life a lot more pleasant. The best way to be miserable is to worry about resale value and spend all your time shooting pictures of brick walls and newspapers to pixel peep...