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03-22-2007, 12:16 PM   #1
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Pentax Images in Cannes 2007 + Print Observations

Well...I am proud to say the the K10D has done me well. I have been invited to show at the "5th Festival of Fashion Photography" in Cannes, France. Which will run from July 31/07 till August 30/07. The images chosen are from the "Diva" story. As usual they will be shown at the Casino in Cannes and on the boardwalk where it will be printed at 3.5x5.0 meters about 12 x 16.5 feet. The gallery images will be about 1.3 x 2 meters about 4.5 x 6.5 feet. I have informed PENTAX who are very pleased. In printing out the images for my portfolio, I have made some observations. The images are A3 format for my book. When viewing the Pentax K10D images on screen, they do NOT look that flattering compared to my Canon's. But when they are printed they translate incredibly well. It was the inverse for the Canon's. On screen they looked great but in print although excellent, they don't have the impact that the K10D images do.

I don't know if it is a subjective relative value paradigm. By that I mean, being that they were OK on the screen and excellent in print, perhaps the contrast between the two resolutions is more evident. I am still trying to adapt to the differences in skin tone rendition vs the Canon's that I became used to over three years time. As per the translation to print, again the prints are incredibly sharp. They did not need to be interpolated for my portfolio.


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That's a real honor, Ben. You have much to be proud of. The camera played its part, but it was the photographer who conceived and executed the winning photos. Congratulations!
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That's a real honor, Ben. You have much to be proud of. The camera played its part, but it was the photographer who conceived and executed the winning photos. Congratulations!
I'm telling you, it was the camera...Ask my girlfriend. She was there. During the shoot I attached the "BluetoothDelusionaligator" Interface, pushed the green button, pre-recorded some verbal abuse and direction for the model, sat back and watched the shoot from my couch at the back of the studio. Didn't have to do a thing. The assistant had to change the lens and download the images. That was it...

Believe Me?

Right...OK, so it was the camera!

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Interesting observations...

QuoteOriginally posted by benjikan Quote
Well...I am proud to say the the K10D has done me well. I have been invited to show at the "5th Festival of Fashion Photography" in Cannes, France. Which will run from July 31/07 till August 30/07. The images chosen are from the "Diva" story. As usual they will be shown at the Casino in Cannes and on the boardwalk where it will be printed at 3.5x5.0 meters about 12 x 16.5 feet. The gallery images will be about 1.3 x 2 meters about 4.5 x 6.5 feet. I have informed PENTAX who are very pleased. In printing out the images for my portfolio, I have made some observations. The images are A3 format for my book. When viewing the Pentax K10D images on screen, they do NOT look that flattering compared to my Canon's. But when they are printed they translate incredibly well. It was the inverse for the Canon's. On screen they looked great but in print although excellent, they don't have the impact that the K10D images do.

I don't know if it is a subjective relative value paradigm. By that I mean, being that they were OK on the screen and excellent in print, perhaps the contrast between the two resolutions is more evident. I am still trying to adapt to the differences in skin tone rendition vs the Canon's that I became used to over three years time. As per the translation to print, again the prints are incredibly sharp. They did not need to be interpolated for my portfolio.


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I have seldom found rational relationships between screen finshing and print. Printers work well with more micro contrast and the printers seem to be good at removing jaggies and edge artifacts. White halos look less good.

High doses of low radius sharpening from a soft starting point introduces lots of microcontrast but few white haloes. Works pretty well for print. Your default method (200% @ 0.3) for instance is excellent. Most cameras/RAW converters which look sharp on screen use higher radius 0.8-1.1 at around 100% - thats necessary because the dots on the screen are so damn big the microcontrast is invisible otherwise.
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Preparing a photo for screen and preparing a photo for print are totally different animals. Most photographers tend to over-sharpen prints, which gives them a "plastic" look (that's the main complaint with Canon jpegs, probably because of the aggressive in-camera sharpening).

Personally, I'll do my own d@mn sharpening, thank you very much!
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I'm with you on that one

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Preparing a photo for screen and preparing a photo for print are totally different animals. Most photographers tend to over-sharpen prints, which gives them a "plastic" look (that's the main complaint with Canon jpegs, probably because of the aggressive in-camera sharpening).

Personally, I'll do my own d@mn sharpening, thank you very much!
I have never found camera that does "in camera sharpening" in a way that looks good in print - never ever. All the whining about the Pentax "soft" jpegs was from people (incuding phil) who never print anything. The pentax JPEG output with a spot of low radius USM looks great in print, but we all know you can only measure image quality on a screen at 100% yadda yadda..

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QuoteOriginally posted by benjikan Quote
When viewing the Pentax K10D images on screen, they do NOT look that flattering compared to my Canon's. But when they are printed they translate incredibly well. It was the inverse for the Canon's. On screen they looked great but in print although excellent, they don't have the impact that the K10D images do.
One of the great things already discovered about the K10D is that the prints look great. This being still defferent than your suggestion that K10D jpegs should use RAW as a benchmark - along with my hope a USM menu option for those that need it to look AS flattering on screen - always nice to make a great tool offer more choices.

Have you tried Silkypix to convert your RAW and see how flattering they are compared to Canon on screen? - and then how that translates to print? Or, once converted by Silkypix, apply your photoshop expertise on a possibly better converted RAW?

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I am still trying to adapt to the differences in skin tone rendition vs the Canon's that I became used to over three years time.
What exactly is the difference you are noticing, and what are your opinions/adjustment techniques if so needed?


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One of the great things already discovered about the K10D is that the prints look great. This being still defferent than your suggestion that K10D jpegs should use RAW as a benchmark - along with my hope a USM menu option for those that need it to look AS flattering on screen - always nice to make a great tool offer more choices.

Have you tried Silkypix to convert your RAW and see how flattering they are compared to Canon on screen? - and then how that translates to print? Or, once converted by Silkypix, apply your photoshop expertise on a possibly better converted RAW?



What exactly is the difference you are noticing, and what are your opinions/adjustment techniques if so needed?


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I use Camera Raw in PS2 to open my images.
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QuoteOriginally posted by benjikan Quote
I use Camera Raw in PS2 to open my images.
Yes, but it would be interesting to see if Silkypix gives you better results.

Also, did you notice my question about skin tone differences between Pentax and the Canon you are used to?

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Yes, but it would be interesting to see if Silkypix gives you better results.

Also, did you notice my question about skin tone differences between Pentax and the Canon you are used to?

Larry

Hi Larry;

Please try to understand that I came to digital via Canon and all of the barometers were based on a Canon benchmark. I like the rendition of Canon for skin tones. Pentax however is very different for me and the more I use it the more I become used to it. It is not the same. It takes some getting used to. However, after saying this, I find the skin tones translate extremely well to print. As to Silkypix. I don't like the user interface at all. I much prefer working in PS Camera Raw program and going from there to PS. I guess it has more to do with the workflow issue. I really love Bridge and what it allows me to do re: Batch Processing etc.

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QuoteOriginally posted by benjikan Quote
However, after saying this, I find the skin tones translate extremely well to print. As to Silkypix. I don't like the user interface at all. I much prefer working in PS Camera Raw program and going from there to PS. I guess it has more to do with the workflow issue. I really love Bridge and what it allows me to do re: Batch Processing etc.

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Ben, what would be your general take on the skin tone rendering by k10d?

When I want to take photos of my loved ones, their skin usually popped out the pimples, blemishes that were usually not that evident in real life - a bummer.

But when I photographed elderly men and women, I LOVE these skin follicles with dirt showing up in the images.

My general gut feeling is that you probably spend a lot of time on skin PP after photos are taken from k10d?

Thanks
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Ben, what would be your general take on the skin tone rendering by k10d?

When I want to take photos of my loved ones, their skin usually popped out the pimples, blemishes that were usually not that evident in real life - a bummer.

But when I photographed elderly men and women, I LOVE these skin follicles with dirt showing up in the images.

My general gut feeling is that you probably spend a lot of time on skin PP after photos are taken from k10d?

Thanks
PP in PS is essential especially using the 40 and 70 Limited lenses which are brutally sharp..
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