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02-04-2009, 04:35 PM   #16
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The high ISO performance on the K10D is worse than on the K100D. Handling, controls, everything else on the K10D I liked better, but I hated to give up high ISO capabilities. That's why I like the K20D so much. High ISO is better than the K100D, you get the great ergonomics of the K10D, plus more controls/functions.

The K10D is a great camera except in terms of high ISO. If that doesn't matter to you, then I'd get the good deal on the K10D, assuming it's enough of a difference below the K20D.

Thanks for this feedback. If the high ISO performance is worse than the K100D like you and others have said, then it wouldn't be the upgrade that I need.

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I like the K20D at high ISO's better than the K10D. That being said, there's only about a one-stop difference noise-wise.

Anyways, here's an example of the K10D at ISO800, Tamron 28-75/2.8 wide open, handheld 1/15s with a little unsharp mask action. No noise treatments. Decide for yourself if it's acceptable or not:

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Thanks for the sample. That actually seems like a lot of noise in the areas with the wood flooring for ISO 800.
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Thanks for the sample. That actually seems like a lot of noise in the areas with the wood flooring for ISO 800.
Post a shot with a similarly out of focus and underexposed area at ISO 800 from the K100D with no SR applied. I've got thousands of them myself. It's not *that* different. But it's also clearly not an improvement going from K100D to K10D - at best, it's just not really much worse.

You certainly don't upgrade from a CCD camera with larger pixels to a CCD camera with smaller pixels in order to get less noise. To get *less* noise, you need larger pixels or a different sensor technology (eg, the CMOS of the K20D). But either way, noise would be the *least* of the differences you'd notice.

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Post a shot with a similarly out of focus and underexposed area at ISO 800 from the K100D with no SR applied. I've got thousands of them myself. It's not *that* different. But it's also clearly not an improvement going from K100D to K10D - at best, it's just not really much worse.

You certainly don't upgrade from a CCD camera with larger pixels to a CCD camera with smaller pixels in order to get less noise. To get *less* noise, you need larger pixels or a different sensor technology (eg, the CMOS of the K20D). But either way, noise would be the *least* of the differences you'd notice.

The shot I included in the thread below was taken at ISO 1600 and I think the noise levels are about equal to the K10D sample at ISO 800, if not less.


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