Thanks for everyone's input. Much appreciated.
1. Quality
Originally posted by losecontrol Well, the k20d is a flagship for one reason. It outperforms the other.
Originally posted by Wheatfield I'd go with the K20 myself.
The K20 has a nicer sensor.
Originally posted by Marc Sabatella The K20D is the more sophisticated camera and has the better viewfinder . . .
They are both very good cameras, but there are reasons to favor K20d which I suppose is logical considering the higher cost.
2. Initial use. I was concerned that K20d might be too complicated to start with.
Originally posted by unkabin I'm not sure that there's a steeper learning curve out of the box for the K20D. Both can be set to program initially, and the camera will do its best for you.
Originally posted by Marc Sabatella If you're used to working one Pentax camera, you can use a K20D with no problems - the extra controls don't make it *harder* to do anything.
Good to know--that eliminates that concern as an issue.
Points 1 and 2 suggest I should really go for the K20d. But then . . .
3. It is not the technology itself that matters most (assuming that the cameras being considered are capable instruments and both of these are), but the skill one develops in using it.
Originally posted by arbutusq I am always a bit confused about people who say they need a camera that allows them to 'grow'. Unless you need high FPS or some other feature these cameras have how will a lesser spec'd camera interfere with your growth as a photographer. Pros used to make a living with 6mp and their work with these higher mp cameras isn't really qualitiatively better than it was before.
Any camera will stimulate growth depending on the photographer's attitude and approach. Oops sorry I started ranting.
No need to apologize, I see your point.
4. Camera's "fit"_
Originally posted by unkabin If you enjoyed your manual camera and price is not a prohibitive concern, I would suggest the k20D. With two dials (one for aperture, one for shutter), it will more closely resemble your earlier experiences.
Originally posted by reeftool I made the jump from film SLR's to a K10D a little over a year ago. . . if cost isn't the issue I would get the K20D. It will be an easy transition. When I first got the camera I was either in full auto or using it manually like my old "center the meter needle and shoot" cameras. I have more manual lenses than AF auto lenses so I still shoot in manual most of the time. I have found that learning how to use all the post processing features in software like Photoshop, etc to be much more of a learning curve than using the camera.
A tool is the extension of the hand (and eye) and must be comfortable, become "second hand." Perhaps the more familiar dials would be very important for me, considering my "earlier experiences" as you say, unkabin. Strong recommendation for the K20d, reeftool.
Originally posted by losecontrol . . . IMO I like the k20d's fit.
Yes, losecontrol, "fit" is important!
Originally posted by Marc Sabatella . . . . if the K200D fits your hand better (it is noticeably smaller & lighter) or you get a better deal on one, then I wouldn't hesitate to go that way, either.
Exactly, Marc. I must check it out.
5. Trade-offs
Originally posted by unkabin Marc makes a good point. Seeing the cameras in person would be ideal, and holding them in your hand. Or, at least consider what your preference list is--weight/size vs. control layout vs. viewfinder vs. price, etc--and check the specs online (reviews can be helpful in this regard). You might find one or the other an obvious choice then.
Thanks for the analysis, unkabin. Seems to me that weight/size is very important factor. I want something I can maneuver, but that is solid. I'll start there.
Last point, trade-offs. I started this thread by putting price aside. Price comes into the picture in consideration of buying a lens for the camera. I read that he so-called "kit-lens" that you can buy with the camera is not worth it. If I like the k200d's fit, might it not be wise to take the money saved and use it on a good lens?
Thanks again, Luke