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ewalk · 02-17-2009, 02:29 PM

So we've seen video in the D90 and the 5D...but how would it work with SR?

Would there be any noticeable benefit? Could Pentax offer the worlds first HD-video recording SLR with SR/IS?

CSoars · 02-17-2009, 02:34 PM

Do you need to de-activate the VR/IS on Nikon and Canon lenses to use the video-recording mode?

ewalk · 02-17-2009, 02:42 PM

No, I don't think you do - but I'm curious if IS/SR helps video recording at all.

infosyn · 02-17-2009, 03:13 PM

I don't know about the SLR part, but Panasonic's new TZ-5 ($260 street) compact digital does claim to offer optical shake reduction even while you're capturing HD video at 30fps. I haven't tried it, though.

bart_hickman · 02-17-2009, 03:23 PM

If the K20d liveview is any indication, the SR of the K20d would be wonderful for stabilization of video. The only downside is it makes a little bit of noise which might get picked up by the audio.

Bart

Venturi · 02-17-2009, 03:31 PM

Is the general question "would shake reduction work for video"? If so, then here's a "hell yes" most definitely. My little Panasonic GS320 has optical image stabilization built-in and it make a world of difference.

codiac2600 · 02-17-2009, 04:05 PM

Belongs in this section of the forum more so than the news and rumors

Hopefully you'll get more input here.

vinzer · 02-17-2009, 04:29 PM

Thing is, though, I think Panasonic has long advocated and used in-lens stabilization in their offerings. I'm still waiting to see if a manufacturer using in-body stabilization can implement it. On a semi-related note, I believe the E-520 has a function to simulate IS when shooting via live view, but that may be more software-driven than the actual SSWF engine doing the trick.

pentaxmz · 02-17-2009, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by ewalk

So we've seen video in the D90 and the 5D...but how would it work with SR?

Would there be any noticeable benefit? Could Pentax offer the worlds first HD-video recording SLR with SR/IS?

Sony virtually pioneered video shake reduction in video cameras; as far as I can tell, image stabilization is/was a feature on every Sony video camera I have owned since 1995. My 1999 TRV-70 definitely has it. Depending on the subject, SR might be of some benefit. But post processing image stabilization is always going to be more effective.

It would make sense that SR would work on any DSLR with video capabilities but I don't have a Nikon to test.

pentaxmz · 02-17-2009, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by vinzer

Thing is, though, I think Panasonic has long advocated and used in-lens stabilization in their offerings. I'm still waiting to see if a manufacturer using in-body stabilization can implement it. On a semi-related note, I believe the E-520 has a function to simulate IS when shooting via live view, but that may be more software-driven than the actual SSWF engine doing the trick.

Oh.. surprise, surprise... listen up folks, I am about to say something nice about Pentax.

(too much?)

The more I learn about the differences between in-camera and in-lens stabilization, the more I am convinced that Pentax got this one right-on!

Like everyone is always saying, every lens will work! That is certainly one advantage.

In-lens stabilization means a heavier, more expensive lens. It means fewer lenses are going to be available. It means the lens is more prone to failure (debatable perhaps). It also means in-lens can produce image quality problems when the lens is steady on a tripod (some Canon lenses automatically shut off SR when they are mounted).

With the Pentax technology, SR will improve and all your lenses are invited for the ride. Canon, on the other hand, when the SR technology improves, you're still stuck with the old technology until you upgrade each lens.

I could go on... but Kudos to Pentax!

But SR isn't that important to me. I certainly didn't have it 10 years ago.

Keep in mind, like anti-lock brakes, SR may give you a false sense of security. SR can't fix everything and that shot you think is perfect because you had SR on, might disappoint. Better to take many shots, and hold the camera as steady as possible every time.

rfortson · 02-17-2009, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by ewalk

So we've seen video in the D90 and the 5D...but how would it work with SR?

Would there be any noticeable benefit? Could Pentax offer the worlds first HD-video recording SLR with SR/IS?

It works fine. My 7 year old Sanyo miniDV camcorder has stabilization built into the body. It's been done.

rburgoss · 02-18-2009, 06:18 AM

Originally posted by bart_hickman

If the K20d liveview is any indication, the SR of the K20d would be wonderful for stabilization of video. The only downside is it makes a little bit of noise which might get picked up by the audio.

Bart

I didn't know the K20D had a microphone built in.... I guess I have to go back to the instruction manual.....

reeftool · 02-18-2009, 11:24 AM

I have a Canon digital camcorder. SR (they call it image stabilization) is one of the advertised features. Not being an engineer, I don't know if the current SR would work if a future Pentax adds video but yes, SR is just as usefull in video as in still photography.

02-17-2009, 02:29 PM	#1
ewalk Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 316	Thoughts: SR + Video? So we've seen video in the D90 and the 5D...but how would it work with SR? Would there be any noticeable benefit? Could Pentax offer the worlds first HD-video recording SLR with SR/IS?

02-17-2009, 03:23 PM	#5
bart_hickman Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Oregon, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 49	K20d liveview simulates it... If the K20d liveview is any indication, the SR of the K20d would be wonderful for stabilization of video. The only downside is it makes a little bit of noise which might get picked up by the audio. Bart

02-17-2009, 04:57 PM	#9
pentaxmz Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 659	Originally posted by ewalk So we've seen video in the D90 and the 5D...but how would it work with SR? Would there be any noticeable benefit? Could Pentax offer the worlds first HD-video recording SLR with SR/IS? Sony virtually pioneered video shake reduction in video cameras; as far as I can tell, image stabilization is/was a feature on every Sony video camera I have owned since 1995. My 1999 TRV-70 definitely has it. Depending on the subject, SR might be of some benefit. But post processing image stabilization is always going to be more effective. It would make sense that SR would work on any DSLR with video capabilities but I don't have a Nikon to test. Last edited by pentaxmz; 02-17-2009 at 06:36 PM.

02-17-2009, 05:10 PM	#10
pentaxmz Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 659	Originally posted by vinzer Thing is, though, I think Panasonic has long advocated and used in-lens stabilization in their offerings. I'm still waiting to see if a manufacturer using in-body stabilization can implement it. On a semi-related note, I believe the E-520 has a function to simulate IS when shooting via live view, but that may be more software-driven than the actual SSWF engine doing the trick. Oh.. surprise, surprise... listen up folks, I am about to say something nice about Pentax. (too much?) The more I learn about the differences between in-camera and in-lens stabilization, the more I am convinced that Pentax got this one right-on! Like everyone is always saying, every lens will work! That is certainly one advantage. In-lens stabilization means a heavier, more expensive lens. It means fewer lenses are going to be available. It means the lens is more prone to failure (debatable perhaps). It also means in-lens can produce image quality problems when the lens is steady on a tripod (some Canon lenses automatically shut off SR when they are mounted). With the Pentax technology, SR will improve and all your lenses are invited for the ride. Canon, on the other hand, when the SR technology improves, you're still stuck with the old technology until you upgrade each lens. I could go on... but Kudos to Pentax! But SR isn't that important to me. I certainly didn't have it 10 years ago. Keep in mind, like anti-lock brakes, SR may give you a false sense of security. SR can't fix everything and that shot you think is perfect because you had SR on, might disappoint. Better to take many shots, and hold the camera as steady as possible every time. Last edited by pentaxmz; 02-17-2009 at 06:34 PM.

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02-17-2009, 02:34 PM	#2
CSoars Inactive Account Join Date: May 2008 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 322	Do you need to de-activate the VR/IS on Nikon and Canon lenses to use the video-recording mode?

02-17-2009, 02:42 PM	#3
ewalk Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 316 Original Poster	No, I don't think you do - but I'm curious if IS/SR helps video recording at all.

02-17-2009, 03:13 PM	#4
infosyn Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Eugene, Oregon, US Posts: 97	I don't know about the SLR part, but Panasonic's new TZ-5 ($260 street) compact digital does claim to offer optical shake reduction even while you're capturing HD video at 30fps. I haven't tried it, though.

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Venturi Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tulsa, OK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,636	Is the general question "would shake reduction work for video"? If so, then here's a "hell yes" most definitely. My little Panasonic GS320 has optical image stabilization built-in and it make a world of difference.

02-17-2009, 04:05 PM	#7
codiac2600 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Rockford, Illinois Posts: 2,027	Belongs in this section of the forum more so than the news and rumors Hopefully you'll get more input here.

02-17-2009, 04:29 PM	#8
vinzer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,399	Thing is, though, I think Panasonic has long advocated and used in-lens stabilization in their offerings. I'm still waiting to see if a manufacturer using in-body stabilization can implement it. On a semi-related note, I believe the E-520 has a function to simulate IS when shooting via live view, but that may be more software-driven than the actual SSWF engine doing the trick.

02-17-2009, 10:06 PM	#11
rfortson Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Houston TX Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,129	Originally posted by ewalk So we've seen video in the D90 and the 5D...but how would it work with SR? Would there be any noticeable benefit? Could Pentax offer the worlds first HD-video recording SLR with SR/IS? It works fine. My 7 year old Sanyo miniDV camcorder has stabilization built into the body. It's been done.

02-18-2009, 06:18 AM	#12
rburgoss Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Jose, Costa Rica Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 972	Originally posted by bart_hickman If the K20d liveview is any indication, the SR of the K20d would be wonderful for stabilization of video. The only downside is it makes a little bit of noise which might get picked up by the audio. Bart I didn't know the K20D had a microphone built in.... I guess I have to go back to the instruction manual.....

02-18-2009, 11:24 AM	#13
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,555	I have a Canon digital camcorder. SR (they call it image stabilization) is one of the advertised features. Not being an engineer, I don't know if the current SR would work if a future Pentax adds video but yes, SR is just as usefull in video as in still photography.

Thoughts: SR + Video?

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