K100D VS Canon XTi

jct us101 · 03-05-2009, 12:17 PM

Which do you think is better? I know that the Canon has more megapixels and a better AF, but it also has lenses that cost far too much and are causing me much financial pain. The K100D however has been described by some as "the perfect camera".

Jester_rm · 03-05-2009, 12:45 PM

You'll have to define "better" I think, each one might be better for different purposes or different people.

For me, the K100D is "better" (lenses are less expensive, build quality is IMHO higher, feels more comfortable in my hand, takes AA batteries, it was less expensive, etc.), but that doesn't mean someone else with different priorities/needs would be equally right in believing the XTI to be "better" for them.

krypticide · 03-05-2009, 12:45 PM

What are you interested in using it for?

Marc Sabatella · 03-05-2009, 12:53 PM

SR in the body is a huge advantage to any recent (including K100D) Pentax DSRL's over anything canon has ever produced. At what point any other advantages of particular Canon models over particular Pentax models overtakes that is going to be pretty subjective, but I'm not sure there is any Canon model I personally would take over the K100D - SR is big enough for me to outweigh any advantage any otherwise comaprable Canon model might have in resolution or any other respect.

**mtngal** · 03-05-2009, 01:09 PM

I agree that a "perfect" camera for one person could be a poor choice for someone else. I personally don't care for the grip on the Canon, but if my primary use for a camera was shooting sports, I'd probably opt for the xti over the K100. Since I shoot macro and landscapes with general whatever thrown in, that little bit extra with AF/buffer doesn't mean anything to me. Besides, I have a softness for sharp lenses and so have a number of manual focus lenses that get me quality I want for a price I can afford. So I'm delighted with my K100 (which I kept and sold the K10 when I upgraded to K20).

jct us101 · 03-05-2009, 02:03 PM

Well honestly I love the way the XTi looks, which is the biggest problem for me. However the fact that I'm spending nearly $1000 for adequate lenses to cover my range when I could get that from Pentax for about $200-$300, causes a slight problem for me.

Alfisti · 03-05-2009, 02:12 PM

What lenses are showing that kind of discrepancy? Are you comparing liek for like?

The 100D is a fine bit of kit but if it's perfect i'm mother teresa.

alexeyga · 03-05-2009, 02:16 PM

Having went through (some owned, some borrowed):

Samsung GX-1
K100d
Canon Rebel XT
Canon Rebel XSI
Nikon D200
Nikon D300

And having settled on the K100ds...

I can tell that cheap Canons... are damn cheap... Build quality of Rebels is nowhere near Pentax. Ergonomics and interface are horrible, dark viewfinder, lack of SR... PQ is comparable, though I prefer the output of Pentax... Not to mention the glass prices... Good Pentax glass is expensive... but good Ni/Canon VR glass is just freaking expensive!!!

Though I still envy the Nikon 85/1.8 that sells for 300$US on a good day... VS the 77lim that you'd be lucky to snap for 5 bills...

Well and the fact that you're holding something else from Ni/Canon in your hands... that's priceless nowadays!!!

jct us101 · 03-05-2009, 02:39 PM

I'm comparing the Canon 28-135 to the Pentax 18-55 and 50-200. The cost of both of those is still less than one of Canon's "mediocre" lenses.

Alfisti · 03-05-2009, 02:41 PM

Canon's 18-55 and 50-200 are about the same price though. Thier 70-300 is more expensive but worth it for the AFS motor IMHO. The 85/1.8 is cheaper than our 77 but their 50/1.4 is way more expensive, as is their fast / wide zoom.

jct us101 · 03-05-2009, 03:25 PM

The 18-55 IS and the 55-250 IS are actually $350-$400 combined and they suffer from Canon's horrible build quality. The Pentax kit lenses have MUCH better quality.

Thumper · 03-06-2009, 09:20 AM

In the past I've bashed Pentax products pretty hard because of my previous experiences with a K10d. I then went to an XTi and now am finally happy with a 30d. To be honest, I don't think any camera body has an advantage with todays PP programs. One might have more bells and whistles than the other, thats all. It comes down to what camera feels right in your hands. It took me over a year to find mine. Pick which ever one feels right to you.

julianactive · 03-06-2009, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by Thumper

In the past I've bashed Pentax products pretty hard because of my previous experiences with a K10d. I then went to an XTi and now am finally happy with a 30d. To be honest, I don't think any camera body has an advantage with todays PP programs. One might have more bells and whistles than the other, thats all. It comes down to what camera feels right in your hands. It took me over a year to find mine. Pick which ever one feels right to you.

Didn't you just make an offer on another K10D?

I started with a Canon XS. Felt cheap and it had severe front focusing issues. Bought the K200D and I am very happy. Much better camera in my opinion. Better build quality, better pictures, top LCD and the ability to use old glass.

Thumper · 03-06-2009, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by jct us101

I'm comparing the Canon 28-135 to the Pentax 18-55 and 50-200. The cost of both of those is still less than one of Canon's "mediocre" lenses.

You should also look at Sigma's new lens line up coming out, the 18-55mm, 50-200mm and 18-250mm all have OS/HSM. I chose a Sigma 18-125mm OS/HSM lens over the Canon 28-135mm IS lens because of better build quality, and the Sig's come with hoods.

egordon99 · 03-06-2009, 10:05 AM

Still undecided? Seriously, they both can take great pictures, and the 28-135 isn't THAT bad of a lens.....

How about the Xti and the 17-55mm f/2.8 IS?

03-05-2009, 12:17 PM	#1
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,793	K100D VS Canon XTi Which do you think is better? I know that the Canon has more megapixels and a better AF, but it also has lenses that cost far too much and are causing me much financial pain. The K100D however has been described by some as "the perfect camera".

03-06-2009, 09:20 AM	#12
Thumper Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York Posts: 34	In the past I've bashed Pentax products pretty hard because of my previous experiences with a K10d. I then went to an XTi and now am finally happy with a 30d. To be honest, I don't think any camera body has an advantage with todays PP programs. One might have more bells and whistles than the other, thats all. It comes down to what camera feels right in your hands. It took me over a year to find mine. Pick which ever one feels right to you. Last edited by Thumper; 03-06-2009 at 09:44 AM.

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Jester_rm Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Redmond, Oregon Photos: Gallery Posts: 228	You'll have to define "better" I think, each one might be better for different purposes or different people. For me, the K100D is "better" (lenses are less expensive, build quality is IMHO higher, feels more comfortable in my hand, takes AA batteries, it was less expensive, etc.), but that doesn't mean someone else with different priorities/needs would be equally right in believing the XTI to be "better" for them.

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krypticide Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,079	What are you interested in using it for?

03-05-2009, 12:53 PM	#4
Marc Sabatella Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denver, CO Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,685	SR in the body is a huge advantage to any recent (including K100D) Pentax DSRL's over anything canon has ever produced. At what point any other advantages of particular Canon models over particular Pentax models overtakes that is going to be pretty subjective, but I'm not sure there is any Canon model I personally would take over the K100D - SR is big enough for me to outweigh any advantage any otherwise comaprable Canon model might have in resolution or any other respect.

03-05-2009, 01:09 PM	#5
mtngal Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Wherever I’m Parked Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,003	I agree that a "perfect" camera for one person could be a poor choice for someone else. I personally don't care for the grip on the Canon, but if my primary use for a camera was shooting sports, I'd probably opt for the xti over the K100. Since I shoot macro and landscapes with general whatever thrown in, that little bit extra with AF/buffer doesn't mean anything to me. Besides, I have a softness for sharp lenses and so have a number of manual focus lenses that get me quality I want for a price I can afford. So I'm delighted with my K100 (which I kept and sold the K10 when I upgraded to K20).

03-05-2009, 02:03 PM	#6
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,793 Original Poster	Well honestly I love the way the XTi looks, which is the biggest problem for me. However the fact that I'm spending nearly $1000 for adequate lenses to cover my range when I could get that from Pentax for about $200-$300, causes a slight problem for me.

03-05-2009, 02:12 PM	#7
Alfisti Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto (for now) Posts: 1,748	What lenses are showing that kind of discrepancy? Are you comparing liek for like? The 100D is a fine bit of kit but if it's perfect i'm mother teresa.

03-05-2009, 02:16 PM	#8
alexeyga Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 838	Having went through (some owned, some borrowed): Samsung GX-1 K100d Canon Rebel XT Canon Rebel XSI Nikon D200 Nikon D300 And having settled on the K100ds... I can tell that cheap Canons... are damn cheap... Build quality of Rebels is nowhere near Pentax. Ergonomics and interface are horrible, dark viewfinder, lack of SR... PQ is comparable, though I prefer the output of Pentax... Not to mention the glass prices... Good Pentax glass is expensive... but good Ni/Canon VR glass is just freaking expensive!!! Though I still envy the Nikon 85/1.8 that sells for 300$US on a good day... VS the 77lim that you'd be lucky to snap for 5 bills... Well and the fact that you're holding something else from Ni/Canon in your hands... that's priceless nowadays!!!

03-05-2009, 02:39 PM	#9
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,793 Original Poster	I'm comparing the Canon 28-135 to the Pentax 18-55 and 50-200. The cost of both of those is still less than one of Canon's "mediocre" lenses.

03-05-2009, 02:41 PM	#10
Alfisti Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto (for now) Posts: 1,748	Canon's 18-55 and 50-200 are about the same price though. Thier 70-300 is more expensive but worth it for the AFS motor IMHO. The 85/1.8 is cheaper than our 77 but their 50/1.4 is way more expensive, as is their fast / wide zoom.

03-05-2009, 03:25 PM	#11
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,793 Original Poster	The 18-55 IS and the 55-250 IS are actually $350-$400 combined and they suffer from Canon's horrible build quality. The Pentax kit lenses have MUCH better quality.

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03-06-2009, 09:54 AM	#13
julianactive Guest	Originally posted by Thumper In the past I've bashed Pentax products pretty hard because of my previous experiences with a K10d. I then went to an XTi and now am finally happy with a 30d. To be honest, I don't think any camera body has an advantage with todays PP programs. One might have more bells and whistles than the other, thats all. It comes down to what camera feels right in your hands. It took me over a year to find mine. Pick which ever one feels right to you. Didn't you just make an offer on another K10D? I started with a Canon XS. Felt cheap and it had severe front focusing issues. Bought the K200D and I am very happy. Much better camera in my opinion. Better build quality, better pictures, top LCD and the ability to use old glass.

03-06-2009, 09:55 AM	#14
Thumper Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York Posts: 34	Originally posted by jct us101 I'm comparing the Canon 28-135 to the Pentax 18-55 and 50-200. The cost of both of those is still less than one of Canon's "mediocre" lenses. You should also look at Sigma's new lens line up coming out, the 18-55mm, 50-200mm and 18-250mm all have OS/HSM. I chose a Sigma 18-125mm OS/HSM lens over the Canon 28-135mm IS lens because of better build quality, and the Sig's come with hoods.

03-06-2009, 10:05 AM	#15
egordon99 Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Outside of Philly Posts: 1,561	Still undecided? Seriously, they both can take great pictures, and the 28-135 isn't THAT bad of a lens..... How about the Xti and the 17-55mm f/2.8 IS?