K20d + lcd tv

txsbluesguy · 03-24-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by soccerjoe5

Hi guys,

I'm getting serious in food photography and 1 thing that's really important is instant feedback of shots taken. I've tried tethering and it takes forever. Anywhere between 15-30 seconds PER photo, and I take 500-1000 photos per day/session. I brought a regular CRT TV to a shoot and it made things SO MUCH faster. Quality was very good too, not HD but very clear and sharp.

So I settled into getting an LCD TV since lugging around a tube TV was too much, those things are just too bulky and heavy. I went to a store the other day and tried my camera with some LCD TVs and they looked terrible!!!

The photos looked pixelated and blurry but when you zoom in it looks pretty okay.

I believe it's something to do with the analog to digital transition, since the K20D uses the old school composite video output.

Has anyone tried using an LCD TV with an LCD TV with good results? The output on a traditional CRT TV looks great, but it's just way too heavy and bulky to carry around

I'm really really happy with the output of the photos but honestly shooting tethered is something really important in food photography. My clients have to see it instantly for the approval of the dish/layout. I was actually thinking of going dual system since the canon/nikons have HDMI output.

I really hope the upcoming models have HDMI output

soccerjoe5 · 03-24-2009, 11:52 AM

Way too expensive! But thanks anyway

dlacouture · 03-24-2009, 12:27 PM

One solution could be to invest in a Eyefi wireless sd card, then use the RAW button to pre-shoot 2MP Jpgs that will upload instantaneously on a laptop set to display everything coming at it, then switch back to RAW for the main shoot.

Price : 50 bucks if you already have a wifi laptop... 300$ if you have to add a notebook...

And that's real pro-looking, having the pics displayed magically while you're ten feet away...

AndrewG NY · 03-24-2009, 01:19 PM

I haven't tried this myself (so don't know if it's possible) but was wondering if you shoot RAW+JPEG if it can transfer just the JPEG to the tethered computer...I'd think this would be considerably faster and certainly fine for quick review purposes.

As for monitors, I don't think your typical LCD DVD player, etc. will give best results...basically your camera can output either NTSC or PAL format which dictates the # of lines. Any deviation from that will involve some sort of digital rescaling and the results will be sub-optimal. CRT will probably look better. I imagine that it wouldn't need to be super big to better the small on-camera review LCD.

kenyee · 03-24-2009, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by AndrewG NY

I haven't tried this myself (so don't know if it's possible) but was wondering if you shoot RAW+JPEG if it can transfer just the JPEG to the tethered computer...I'd think this would be considerably faster and certainly fine for quick review purposes.

It'll do this (I think), but the card itself is 2GB (4GB is on preorder). You won't get enough pictures on it...I mentioned it to soccerjoe already...he wants to shoot 1000 pics w/ offloading

soccerjoe5 · 03-24-2009, 01:45 PM

Hmm I'd be happy with about 300-400 photos to offload!

I currently use 8GB Sandisk Extreme III cards and they're just sweet!

I might get one asap if there was an 8GB eye-fi!

chiem · 03-24-2009, 02:06 PM

I've read that the eye-fi uploads at 200 kb/sec, which might be kind of slow for your needs.

Have you tried using something like this:

Amazon.com: Diamond VC500 One Touch Video Capture Device: Electronics

To turn your laptop into a display with composite/svideo inputs ?

kenyee · 03-24-2009, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by chiem

I've read that the eye-fi uploads at 200 kb/sec, which might be kind of slow for your needs.

The other major issue is you have to stop using it for a little while before it uploads. Using = viewing images on the rear LCD, taking images, etc.
And fat chance they'll have an 8GB one. The 4GB was announced in October and still hasn't shipped...

soccerjoe5 · 03-24-2009, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by chiem

I've read that the eye-fi uploads at 200 kb/sec, which might be kind of slow for your needs.

Have you tried using something like this:

Amazon.com: Diamond VC500 One Touch Video Capture Device: Electronics

To turn your laptop into a display with composite/svideo inputs ?

I found another device that lets any computer accept numerous inputs but it costs $150. I think it's called eyeTV hybrid. It's gotten great reviews!

03-24-2009, 11:37 AM	#16
txsbluesguy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 103	small LCD check out ikan products - their professional portable monitors are made for film, video and photography several new ones with HDMI www.ikancorp.com Originally posted by soccerjoe5 Hi guys, I'm getting serious in food photography and 1 thing that's really important is instant feedback of shots taken. I've tried tethering and it takes forever. Anywhere between 15-30 seconds PER photo, and I take 500-1000 photos per day/session. I brought a regular CRT TV to a shoot and it made things SO MUCH faster. Quality was very good too, not HD but very clear and sharp. So I settled into getting an LCD TV since lugging around a tube TV was too much, those things are just too bulky and heavy. I went to a store the other day and tried my camera with some LCD TVs and they looked terrible!!! The photos looked pixelated and blurry but when you zoom in it looks pretty okay. I believe it's something to do with the analog to digital transition, since the K20D uses the old school composite video output. Has anyone tried using an LCD TV with an LCD TV with good results? The output on a traditional CRT TV looks great, but it's just way too heavy and bulky to carry around I'm really really happy with the output of the photos but honestly shooting tethered is something really important in food photography. My clients have to see it instantly for the approval of the dish/layout. I was actually thinking of going dual system since the canon/nikons have HDMI output. I really hope the upcoming models have HDMI output

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03-24-2009, 11:52 AM	#17
soccerjoe5 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,343 Original Poster	Way too expensive! But thanks anyway

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dlacouture Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Var, South of France Photos: Albums Posts: 1,074	One solution could be to invest in a Eyefi wireless sd card, then use the RAW button to pre-shoot 2MP Jpgs that will upload instantaneously on a laptop set to display everything coming at it, then switch back to RAW for the main shoot. Price : 50 bucks if you already have a wifi laptop... 300$ if you have to add a notebook... And that's real pro-looking, having the pics displayed magically while you're ten feet away...

03-24-2009, 01:19 PM	#19
AndrewG NY Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chappaqua, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 688	I haven't tried this myself (so don't know if it's possible) but was wondering if you shoot RAW+JPEG if it can transfer just the JPEG to the tethered computer...I'd think this would be considerably faster and certainly fine for quick review purposes. As for monitors, I don't think your typical LCD DVD player, etc. will give best results...basically your camera can output either NTSC or PAL format which dictates the # of lines. Any deviation from that will involve some sort of digital rescaling and the results will be sub-optimal. CRT will probably look better. I imagine that it wouldn't need to be super big to better the small on-camera review LCD.

03-24-2009, 01:37 PM	#20
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	Originally posted by AndrewG NY I haven't tried this myself (so don't know if it's possible) but was wondering if you shoot RAW+JPEG if it can transfer just the JPEG to the tethered computer...I'd think this would be considerably faster and certainly fine for quick review purposes. It'll do this (I think), but the card itself is 2GB (4GB is on preorder). You won't get enough pictures on it...I mentioned it to soccerjoe already...he wants to shoot 1000 pics w/ offloading

03-24-2009, 01:45 PM	#21
soccerjoe5 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,343 Original Poster	Hmm I'd be happy with about 300-400 photos to offload! I currently use 8GB Sandisk Extreme III cards and they're just sweet! I might get one asap if there was an 8GB eye-fi!

03-24-2009, 02:06 PM	#22
chiem Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cupertino, CA Posts: 54	I've read that the eye-fi uploads at 200 kb/sec, which might be kind of slow for your needs. Have you tried using something like this: Amazon.com: Diamond VC500 One Touch Video Capture Device: Electronics To turn your laptop into a display with composite/svideo inputs ?

03-24-2009, 02:49 PM	#23
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	Originally posted by chiem I've read that the eye-fi uploads at 200 kb/sec, which might be kind of slow for your needs. The other major issue is you have to stop using it for a little while before it uploads. Using = viewing images on the rear LCD, taking images, etc. And fat chance they'll have an 8GB one. The 4GB was announced in October and still hasn't shipped...

03-24-2009, 10:38 PM	#24
soccerjoe5 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,343 Original Poster	Originally posted by chiem I've read that the eye-fi uploads at 200 kb/sec, which might be kind of slow for your needs. Have you tried using something like this: Amazon.com: Diamond VC500 One Touch Video Capture Device: Electronics To turn your laptop into a display with composite/svideo inputs ? I found another device that lets any computer accept numerous inputs but it costs $150. I think it's called eyeTV hybrid. It's gotten great reviews!