Originally posted by Wheatfield Nonononononono.
You have it backwards.
An Izan.
Sorry, my bad, I guess I read it a bit too fast then.
Originally posted by Wheatfield changing systems isn't an option for a lot of people, myself included.
Why, in all honesty? The only possible explanation would be if you're somehow connected to Pentax and are by contract not allowed to use another brand?
The question of economy comes to mind, but if you're asking for a Pentax with similar specs to a more expensive body from Canon or Nikon, you just can't expect it to be any cheaper as said by a lot of others here.
It can't be de lenses either, can it? The best pentax lenses tend to be the old manual K-series or even the Super/SMC-Takumars. They should both work just fine in completely manual mode on for example a Canon. You'll might have to change the bayonet on the K like others has done before you, but it is quite possible to do so. That said both Canon and Nikon have some very very very good lenses in their lineup that will be a good replacement for most Pentax lenses. The 50-135 is the modern gem, and also available as a Tokina for both other brands I think?
I'm not trying to be rude or make fun of you right now. I'm being serious. I'd like to know what exactly is keeping you and a lot of others from switching system. I think a lot of other visitors here would be interested to know that as well.
Originally posted by Wheatfield The people who say "change systems" are essentially trying to stifle any discussion regarding desirable system improvements.
If you want to compare this to a political movement, guess which one it is closest to?
Do you really think that all this nagging in public forums will help your case and give you a new camera with this and that specs? If all those that have serious trouble with the current products of Pentax just wrote to their customer service and told it to them directly, I think it would be a lot more efficient. Call up your local Pentax dealer and tell them how disappointed you are. Try to pass the information to those who actually can make a change.
I'm not much of a politician, but what would be the best effort to try an make a change in the way they collect taxes - call your local politician representing you in the senate, or to post hundreds of complaints on online forums telling everyone the government is robbing you?
The way it is now this constant complaining in forums just make the Pentax community look really bad for new potential customers. If you tell everyone you meet that Pentax is the worst performing camera brand, there will eventually be no new customers and Pentax as a brand will no longer exist.
Originally posted by palmor And if you think Pentax AF is fast, put a new DA*55/1.4 onto your K20.
I can actually fall asleep waiting for it to focus.
Well, you can put a slow focusing lens on a Canon or Nikon and fall asleep as well? The fact is that there are huge differences in focusing times depending upon lens design. I think my DA40 has a pretty fast focusing compared to my FA50. The DA70 is faster than the FA77. You can't just blame the body or AF circuits when the lens as a long focus throw. But I'm pretty sure that Pentax AF is the slowest of them all on average. I know after hearing the same story a million times.
Originally posted by palmor So what you are saying is that if someone finds something inferior with a Pentax camera compared to another brands similar offers they should just quietly switch brands and leave all the Pentax people alone? Can you see how absurd that is? What exactly is wrong with people wanting the brand they like to be competitive in certain areas with other makers?
I don't think that's absurd at all! We have freedom of choice. If we find out that another product better suits our needs, we can just change to that other product. I happens with consumer products every day. People change to other brands of cars, televisions, computers etc, so why not camera ? How many owners of a Dell spend nearly every day , year after year and complain about how much better the screen is on a HP? They simply get out and by that HP instead.
Originally posted by palmor I understand it can be frustrating to read the same types of posts over again but guess what, telling someone to essentially shutup and just switch brands isn't going to make them go away. It is only going to make them shout their dislikes even louder. Telling someone they are wrong does the same thing.
So basically this forum can't be saved then? I think we're well over the point where there are more posts about how much better other brands are, then there are positive posts about experiences as a Pentaxian and how much wonderful shots we've made. If there is no way to make people "shut up and leave", then there is pretty much nothing left for pentaxforums. It's definitely not going to be a "Friendly Pentax Discussion Community" as the logo says.
I know I'm not the only one here that is completely fed up with all this negativity. As long as this keeps on along the same line the next person will eventually break down and write even uglier replies then me. And then the next one and the next one until there are just complainers left and one unsellable camera brand.
Originally posted by palmor Oh, and your complete sarcastic, anyone who can't get an action shot with a Pentax is a crappy photog comments aren't really appreciated, at least by me. I would like the Pentax bodies to have better AF features so I guess I suck, don't know how to use my equipment and should pick up another hobby?
Well yeah? I am sarcastic. Some think of this af-"issue" as follows: If person A needs faster AF to make the same shot as person B just did with the slow one - is it the cameras fault? Whenever someone tries to say that they don't agree and find it fully useable as-is you guys just bash them with how wrong they are, and how their images is shot the wrong way. Like there is not millions of running children captured just brilliantly with this crappy AF through the years?
I'm pretty sure a very good photographer could do fantastic shots of fast moving objects with slow or no af at all. I also think a lot of people @ pentaxforums could become a lot better photographers if they spent more time behind the camera then they do complaining. I'm not speaking of you in particular.
Oh and by the way. If you've ever read the What-the-duck comics you'll know that "you suck" is the first defence from anyone with a camera strapped around their neck.