Pros and cons of the Pentax KM/2000

turbosaturn · 04-09-2009, 07:37 PM

The thing that I don't like about the K2000 is that it doesn't have a green button. Also, the camera makes it difficult to change settings without taking your eye off the viewfinder.

res3567 · 04-09-2009, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by simico

I must have a bad copy then, because P-TTL results are fine. In fact, K-m + Metz 48 gives better results than Nikon D70 + SB800.

Is this serious?? Proprietary batteries also add weight to the body, I've yet to see any battery with 0g weight...

Haven't noticed anything like that.

Kit lens image quality is good.

Hey Simico

How do you meter manual lenses without the "Green" button?

res3567 · 04-09-2009, 11:12 PM

. " A fully loaded K20D or K-m still weighs less than a fully loaded K10D or K20D".[/QUOTE]

Hey Marc

Did youmean a fully loaded K200D?

jerrymouse · 04-10-2009, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by turbosaturn

The thing that I don't like about the K2000 is that it doesn't have a green button. Also, the camera makes it difficult to change settings without taking your eye off the viewfinder.

Av button on K-m works just like green button on K20D with manual lenses (stop down mettering).

simico · 04-10-2009, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by res3567

Hey Simico

How do you meter manual lenses without the "Green" button?

EV comp (Av) button when using manual lens = green button.

Marc Sabatella · 04-10-2009, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by res3567

Did youmean a fully loaded K200D?

Ooops - good catch. I'm editing my post to fix that...

Parallax · 04-10-2009, 12:22 PM

Does it have adjustment for FF/BF. I have 2 K20 bodies and 6 Pentax lenses. All of the lenses, with one exception, require some degree of adjustment on both bodies. One of the lenses does not require any adjustment on one of the two bodies as it FF by exactly the same amount that that body BF. I won't ever buy a camera that does not allow that adjustment just because I would always wonder if everything was a sharp as it could be.

Last edited by Parallax; 04-10-2009 at 01:47 PM.

Marc Sabatella · 04-10-2009, 12:38 PM

Only the K20D has AF adjustment. Some older models have "hacked" firmware available that provides an undocumented way of achieving this to a much more limited extent, but neither of the other current models (K200D and K-m) have even "hacked" ways of getting at this.

kalle-bah · 04-10-2009, 01:23 PM

I went from a k100d to the K-M. Whith the j100d i could never rely on the focusindicator when focusing manually at large apertures. The light turned on and i could turn the focusring a fair amount until it went off again. i never new when i really was in focus whith short DOF. Whith the K-M however its much more exact and i have no problems focusing at f1,8 even at short distances.

res3567 · 04-11-2009, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by simico

EV comp (Av) button when using manual lens = green button.

Does it stop down the lens also for DOP preview?

quickiekuchen · 04-11-2009, 02:14 AM

Av-Button?

I have a *ist DL2. If I´m using K or M-Lenses:
-switch mode-dial to M
-set on allowing aperture-ring
-Lightmetering at M: set on "Tv-Shift"

Than, you have half-aperture-priority. Press AE-L-Button. The lens stops down and the right time is set automatically.
If you like fully manual, you can use DOF-preview-button, too.

RiceHigh · 04-11-2009, 03:00 AM

Originally posted by simico

Nonsense. The "amount of loss" is not noticable.

It is "not noticeable" only if you compare it with the K10D or K200D!

If you compare it with any current DSLR of Canon and Nikon, it will make a huge difference!

RiceHigh · 04-11-2009, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by simico

I must have a bad copy then, because P-TTL results are fine. In fact, K-m + Metz 48 gives better results than Nikon D70 + SB800.

Is this serious?? Proprietary batteries also add weight to the body, I've yet to see any battery with 0g weight...

Haven't noticed anything like that.

Kit lens image quality is good.

It seems that the K-m has no con and is just perfect to you. So, why don't you list the pros (only) to the OP?

flyer · 04-11-2009, 03:22 AM

Rice High,

reading your post, one would have the feeling you are an expert on everything that is Pentax. Unfortunately, you don't own any of the Pentax cameras you're talking about, and you can't get a good knowledge/feel of a camera by holding one ten minutes in a store. If you were honest with yourself, you'd admit you hate Pentax and you could go to any extent to destroy the brand's name. The Pentax kit lens is no worst than the Canon or Nikon kit lens. In some respect, it might even be better. If you really want to help people, you would stop giving advice on things you don't know.

RiceHigh · 04-11-2009, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by flyer

Rice High,

reading your post, one would have the feeling you are an expert on everything that is Pentax. Unfortunately, you don't own any of the Pentax cameras you're talking about, and you can't get a good knowledge/feel of a camera by holding one ten minutes in a store. If you were honest with yourself, you'd admit you hate Pentax and you could go to any extent to destroy the brand's name. The Pentax kit lens is no worst than the Canon or Nikon kit lens. In some respect, it might even be better. If you really want to help people, you would stop giving advice on things you don't know.

You meant your hatred on me that led to your unfair comments (actually attacks) on me without any support and evidence?

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04-09-2009, 07:37 PM	#16
turbosaturn Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 75	The thing that I don't like about the K2000 is that it doesn't have a green button. Also, the camera makes it difficult to change settings without taking your eye off the viewfinder.

04-09-2009, 11:05 PM	#17
res3567 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Houston Tx. Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,876	Originally posted by simico I must have a bad copy then, because P-TTL results are fine. In fact, K-m + Metz 48 gives better results than Nikon D70 + SB800. Is this serious?? Proprietary batteries also add weight to the body, I've yet to see any battery with 0g weight... Haven't noticed anything like that. Kit lens image quality is good. Hey Simico How do you meter manual lenses without the "Green" button?

04-09-2009, 11:12 PM	#18
res3567 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Houston Tx. Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,876	. " A fully loaded K20D or K-m still weighs less than a fully loaded K10D or K20D".[/QUOTE] Hey Marc Did youmean a fully loaded K200D?

04-10-2009, 12:40 AM	#19
jerrymouse Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pilsen, Czech Republic Posts: 224	Originally posted by turbosaturn The thing that I don't like about the K2000 is that it doesn't have a green button. Also, the camera makes it difficult to change settings without taking your eye off the viewfinder. Av button on K-m works just like green button on K20D with manual lenses (stop down mettering).

04-10-2009, 01:00 AM	#20
simico Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Budapest Posts: 821	Originally posted by res3567 Hey Simico How do you meter manual lenses without the "Green" button? EV comp (Av) button when using manual lens = green button.

04-10-2009, 08:58 AM	#21
Marc Sabatella Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denver, CO Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,685	Originally posted by res3567 Did youmean a fully loaded K200D? Ooops - good catch. I'm editing my post to fix that...

04-10-2009, 12:22 PM	#22
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Does it have adjustment for FF/BF. I have 2 K20 bodies and 6 Pentax lenses. All of the lenses, with one exception, require some degree of adjustment on both bodies. One of the lenses does not require any adjustment on one of the two bodies as it FF by exactly the same amount that that body BF. I won't ever buy a camera that does not allow that adjustment just because I would always wonder if everything was a sharp as it could be. Last edited by Parallax; 04-10-2009 at 01:47 PM.

04-10-2009, 12:38 PM	#23
Marc Sabatella Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denver, CO Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,685	Only the K20D has AF adjustment. Some older models have "hacked" firmware available that provides an undocumented way of achieving this to a much more limited extent, but neither of the other current models (K200D and K-m) have even "hacked" ways of getting at this.

04-10-2009, 01:23 PM	#24
kalle-bah Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 5	I went from a k100d to the K-M. Whith the j100d i could never rely on the focusindicator when focusing manually at large apertures. The light turned on and i could turn the focusring a fair amount until it went off again. i never new when i really was in focus whith short DOF. Whith the K-M however its much more exact and i have no problems focusing at f1,8 even at short distances.

04-11-2009, 12:12 AM	#25
res3567 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Houston Tx. Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,876	Originally posted by simico EV comp (Av) button when using manual lens = green button. Does it stop down the lens also for DOP preview?

04-11-2009, 02:14 AM	#26
quickiekuchen Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bad Berka, Thuringia, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 48	Av-Button? I have a *ist DL2. If I´m using K or M-Lenses: -switch mode-dial to M -set on allowing aperture-ring -Lightmetering at M: set on "Tv-Shift" Than, you have half-aperture-priority. Press AE-L-Button. The lens stops down and the right time is set automatically. If you like fully manual, you can use DOF-preview-button, too.

04-11-2009, 03:00 AM	#27
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Originally posted by simico Nonsense. The "amount of loss" is not noticable. It is "not noticeable" only if you compare it with the K10D or K200D! If you compare it with any current DSLR of Canon and Nikon, it will make a huge difference!

04-11-2009, 03:02 AM	#28
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Originally posted by simico I must have a bad copy then, because P-TTL results are fine. In fact, K-m + Metz 48 gives better results than Nikon D70 + SB800. Is this serious?? Proprietary batteries also add weight to the body, I've yet to see any battery with 0g weight... Haven't noticed anything like that. Kit lens image quality is good. It seems that the K-m has no con and is just perfect to you. So, why don't you list the pros (only) to the OP?

04-11-2009, 03:22 AM	#29
flyer Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ste-Anne des Plaines, Qc., Canada Posts: 2,013	Rice High, reading your post, one would have the feeling you are an expert on everything that is Pentax. Unfortunately, you don't own any of the Pentax cameras you're talking about, and you can't get a good knowledge/feel of a camera by holding one ten minutes in a store. If you were honest with yourself, you'd admit you hate Pentax and you could go to any extent to destroy the brand's name. The Pentax kit lens is no worst than the Canon or Nikon kit lens. In some respect, it might even be better. If you really want to help people, you would stop giving advice on things you don't know.

04-11-2009, 03:54 AM	#30
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Originally posted by flyer Rice High, reading your post, one would have the feeling you are an expert on everything that is Pentax. Unfortunately, you don't own any of the Pentax cameras you're talking about, and you can't get a good knowledge/feel of a camera by holding one ten minutes in a store. If you were honest with yourself, you'd admit you hate Pentax and you could go to any extent to destroy the brand's name. The Pentax kit lens is no worst than the Canon or Nikon kit lens. In some respect, it might even be better. If you really want to help people, you would stop giving advice on things you don't know. You meant your hatred on me that led to your unfair comments (actually attacks) on me without any support and evidence?