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04-27-2009, 06:30 PM   #31
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QuoteOriginally posted by Damn Brit Quote
Steve I haven't seen you posting many pictures on the forum.
How about posting some so that we can try and deconstruct them? It's cheaper than buying a new system and it should help you improve as a photographer.

Please, no more operations though.
whats the matter, in grown toenail and mole removal sugeries arent to your likeing? guess i will have to come up with more..;


also side note, last night i got a copy of Adobe Light Room and immediatly saw a difference in my pictures just using the program for the first time. The problem is i was relying on picasa to do most of my editing. Most of the time im not a big PP guy, because i want my skills to be show in the original shot. However now having lightroom i think i will have better shots, to make up for whatever i might have missed on camera settings.

Thanks all for you input! Staying PENTAX!!

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QuoteOriginally posted by -=JoN=- Quote
hm..I found the colours on the k20 come out more vibrant than on the d700...I tweak a bit more on post to get some colours right on some of my d700 shots...

here's a comparison i did not too long ago..not the best.. but...
i forgot the settings ( i have to look at the original exif...)
but here's the set up
k20d da*50-135
d700 micro nikkor 60mm

i found the greens come out more on the k20's shot...
both were on RAW "general punch" applied in LR

(sorry for the size)


Goes to show the grass is not greener on the other side
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Goes to show the grass is not greener on the other side
Actually, I think in this case the shot from the Nikon looks much better. I think the reason the grass looks greener on the Pentax shot is because it is darker, not "greener". There is also a lot less detail in the trees in the Pentax shot, and the Nikon shot is sharper. I am assuming that the Pentax shot has the contrast set too high which is why the interesting tree detail is lost. I think you should take this shot down. It may make some of us want to switch to the D700!

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Yeah, "comparisons" like these are pretty pointless. Pull the Nikon shot into an image editor and tweak levels a bit and it looks about the same as the Pentax one. (Which IMO looks a little underexposed since the details in the trees are much worse.)

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The above Pentax photo does look a little underexposed to me. Thatīs not always a bad thing, if you want to show deeper colours then itīs an option, depends on the photo. Another option would be to change the saturation setting in the camera, but these things can be done even on most P&S cameras, itīs got nothing to do with brand or model (although the default will vary with model).

All this discussion over gear & brands seems very silly to me. Each person has their reasons for liking one system over another, dependant on what appeals to him & his intended uses. But regardless of make, the real issue is the limiting factor in the photography: the weakest link. For a poor photographer the limiting factor will usually be skill level & this can be improved by practice & education, even with a less-than-perfect camera. A photographer may be limited by his equipment as he pushes against the boundaries of what it is capable of. But (I think) in this case, the photographer will always know what the problem is & what itīs cause & solution are, with equipment or otherwise. If he doesnīt know the cause then how can he know the solution?

If the problem is that your friendīs photos "just look better" then you donīt know why they look better & itīs quite a leap to suppose itīs his camera. I suggest more practice with your Pentax.
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QuoteOriginally posted by 68wSteve Quote
All he had was the kit lens 18-135 kit lens. I had my K20D with DA* 18-50 and 50-135 through out the day.
Don't you hate to have to carry both the DA* 16-50 and the DA* 50-135 to match the range of one Nikon lens? I thought about this before buying the 24-105mm L lens for my 30d.
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Don't you hate to have to carry both the DA* 16-50 and the DA* 50-135 to match the range of one Nikon lens? I thought about this before buying the 24-105mm L lens for my 30d.
I'm sure he enjoyed having two more stops of light gathering on the long end though...
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Don't you hate to have to carry both the DA* 16-50 and the DA* 50-135 to match the range of one Nikon lens? I thought about this before buying the 24-105mm L lens for my 30d.
Yeah, because the 18-135 is superior to the 16-50/50-135 combo, as everyone knows.

If I was worried about range, I'd just slap the 18-250 on and be done with it (and I do that quite often). However, the 18-250 does not exceed the 16-50 or 50-135 in IQ, not even close. I'll say at f/2.8, the DA* combo wins every time.

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Looks like another case of a user stuck in a disparate search of a camera equipped with the "masterpiece" button....
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I would MUCH rather carry two bodies with fast(er) lenses than one body with a "super zoom" that maxes out at f/5.6

In fact, I usually carry around an 85mm f/1.8 on one body and a 30mm f/1.4 on another as I sometimes find f/2.8 too slow.

Regardless, the 16-50 and 50-135 combo will SMOKE THE PANTS off of the 18-135....

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Don't you hate to have to carry both the DA* 16-50 and the DA* 50-135 to match the range of one Nikon lens? I thought about this before buying the 24-105mm L lens for my 30d.
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Oh good, looks like little Thumper has been exiled (again)
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Oh good, looks like little Thumper has been exiled (again)
Thank goodness! I haven't been around here much lately and one of the first things I see when I come back is this genius. Glad to see he's gone (for now).
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Thank goodness! I haven't been around here much lately and one of the first things I see when I come back is this genius. Glad to see he's gone (for now).
And a jolly good reason to stay with Pentax.
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