Pro Applications..Making 10.2 megapixels in to 30.6 mega pixels

kurt · 04-19-2007, 10:42 AM

Hello Ben,

Thank you for sharing this method!!

I am not sure is it the same thing if you do it using 'Filter-Other-Offset' and moving the layer by 1 pixel (for example one layer to the right and one downway) . You changed the size of the layer ... maybe I am lost, but still I see good results.

wmmk · 04-19-2007, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by mutley

OK Ben,

HOW ITS DONE:

Step 1:

Please let us know

Larry

Yes, please. Pretty please.
Do you actually have the camera sensor shift, or is this all in Photoshop? Sorry if that question sounded stupid...

Also, can I do this in Elements, or do I need 'Big Photoshop'?

benjikan · 04-20-2007, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by wmmk

Yes, please. Pretty please.
Do you actually have the camera sensor shift, or is this all in Photoshop? Sorry if that question sounded stupid...

Also, can I do this in Elements, or do I need 'Big Photoshop'?

Just looked through all of my posts. It is explained in 2/3 parts. No?..It is done in PS CS2...

wmmk · 04-20-2007, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

Just looked through all of my posts. It is explained in 2/3 parts. No?..It is done in PS CS2...

Sorry, I'll look over the thread again. I posted that after a long night of homework...

Donald · 04-21-2007, 10:51 AM

When you layer three images with soft light what opacity and fill %ages have you found acceptable. Alternately, after three images, sharpening, etc, do you brighten as an individual step? Thank you.

Mike Cash · 04-21-2007, 04:03 PM

Is everybody who is asking questions also rolling up their sleeves and experimenting with this?

From the camera:

After experimenting:

Kim · 04-22-2007, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by Mike Cash

Is everybody who is asking questions also rolling up their sleeves and experimenting with this?

From the camera:

After experimenting:

I'm getting results pretty much like yours. Dunno what I'm supposed to see, but I'm not seeing 30Mpix or anything close to it.

SebG · 04-23-2007, 08:23 AM

Please Benjikan, would you be so kind as to give us more detail on your technique? Apparently nobody here seem to understand what you do, and we can't achieve a good result with what we THINK you do.

If you want to present a new technique, then please do it well and give clear instructions, otherwise it's not useful at all.

AndrewShirley · 04-28-2007, 05:08 AM

Ditto, I would love a clear, concise step-by-step outline of your technique. It sounds great and would be very useful to us a little further back on the path.

- Andrew

TomE · 04-28-2007, 05:51 AM

Ben,

Are you enlarging and shrinking the images by a pixel to get the shift, or are you moving the same size image left or right to get the shift?

Tom

benjikan · 04-28-2007, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by ennacac

Ben,

Are you enlarging and shrinking the images by a pixel to get the shift, or are you moving the same size image left or right to get the shift?

Tom

I am shrinking one and enlarging the other by 1 pixel...

Ben

joelovotti · 04-28-2007, 07:41 PM

The pic you posted is great.
Can you give a more in depth description of the technique.
I played with one of my images with interesting results but I want to be sure I'm doing it right. Especially the microscopic shifting. Whe I tried it I got a very contrasty image.
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer,
joe

benjikan · 04-29-2007, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by joelovotti

The pic you posted is great.
Can you give a more in depth description of the technique.
I played with one of my images with interesting results but I want to be sure I'm doing it right. Especially the microscopic shifting. Whe I tried it I got a very contrasty image.
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer,
joe

Please understand that this is a work in progress for me as well. I generally shift by "1" pixel and in doing so the image will appear ever so slightly out of focus or out of phase. What I do to compensate for this is to USM afterwards in PS to varying degrees. The numbers that seem to work for me in the final pre-press stage for the K10D is the following. From 0.3 to 0.6 pixels at 120 to 300 percent as well as 30-60 pixels at 5 to 15 percent. This will not completely offset the result but will appear more "3D" when printed. Again, as many have suggested, it is a "2D" image and the final result is obviously that. But the perceived result can be pleasing if that is what you like. If you don't want to use this idea, you may wish to try one of the USM methods I have discussed earlier on this forum.

Ben

benjikan · 04-29-2007, 02:32 AM

Originally posted by Donald

When you layer three images with soft light what opacity and fill %ages have you found acceptable. Alternately, after three images, sharpening, etc, do you brighten as an individual step? Thank you.

Thanks for reminding me. Please play with the "opacity" and "fill" sliders to garner the effect you are after. After that, I go in to "Shadow-Highlight" and compensate for the increase in contrast to bring out more of the shadow detail and reduce the highlights.

Ben

TomE · 04-29-2007, 06:08 AM

I tried it by shifting one pixel left and one right using the same size image and I liked the results too.

I forgot that is at 300 pixels/inch in CS2.

Tom

04-20-2007, 12:20 AM	#33
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Explanation.. Originally posted by wmmk Yes, please. Pretty please. Do you actually have the camera sensor shift, or is this all in Photoshop? Sorry if that question sounded stupid... Also, can I do this in Elements, or do I need 'Big Photoshop'? Just looked through all of my posts. It is explained in 2/3 parts. No?..It is done in PS CS2...

04-28-2007, 07:42 AM	#41
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Shrinking one and enlarging the other Originally posted by ennacac Ben, Are you enlarging and shrinking the images by a pixel to get the shift, or are you moving the same size image left or right to get the shift? Tom I am shrinking one and enlarging the other by 1 pixel... Ben

04-28-2007, 07:41 PM	#42
joelovotti Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: US Photos: Albums Posts: 393	A little more info The pic you posted is great. Can you give a more in depth description of the technique. I played with one of my images with interesting results but I want to be sure I'm doing it right. Especially the microscopic shifting. Whe I tried it I got a very contrasty image. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer, joe

04-29-2007, 02:26 AM	#43
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	USM after the fact Originally posted by joelovotti The pic you posted is great. Can you give a more in depth description of the technique. I played with one of my images with interesting results but I want to be sure I'm doing it right. Especially the microscopic shifting. Whe I tried it I got a very contrasty image. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer, joe Please understand that this is a work in progress for me as well. I generally shift by "1" pixel and in doing so the image will appear ever so slightly out of focus or out of phase. What I do to compensate for this is to USM afterwards in PS to varying degrees. The numbers that seem to work for me in the final pre-press stage for the K10D is the following. From 0.3 to 0.6 pixels at 120 to 300 percent as well as 30-60 pixels at 5 to 15 percent. This will not completely offset the result but will appear more "3D" when printed. Again, as many have suggested, it is a "2D" image and the final result is obviously that. But the perceived result can be pleasing if that is what you like. If you don't want to use this idea, you may wish to try one of the USM methods I have discussed earlier on this forum. Ben

04-29-2007, 02:32 AM	#44
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Compensate Originally posted by Donald When you layer three images with soft light what opacity and fill %ages have you found acceptable. Alternately, after three images, sharpening, etc, do you brighten as an individual step? Thank you. Thanks for reminding me. Please play with the "opacity" and "fill" sliders to garner the effect you are after. After that, I go in to "Shadow-Highlight" and compensate for the increase in contrast to bring out more of the shadow detail and reduce the highlights. Ben

04-19-2007, 10:42 AM	#31
kurt Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hyvinkää, Suomi (Finland) Photos: Gallery Posts: 669	Hello Ben, Thank you for sharing this method!! I am not sure is it the same thing if you do it using 'Filter-Other-Offset' and moving the layer by 1 pixel (for example one layer to the right and one downway) . You changed the size of the layer ... maybe I am lost, but still I see good results.

04-19-2007, 05:53 PM	#32
wmmk Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 106	Originally posted by mutley OK Ben, HOW ITS DONE: Step 1: Please let us know Larry Yes, please. Pretty please. Do you actually have the camera sensor shift, or is this all in Photoshop? Sorry if that question sounded stupid... Also, can I do this in Elements, or do I need 'Big Photoshop'?

04-20-2007, 03:47 PM	#34
wmmk Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 106	Originally posted by benjikan Just looked through all of my posts. It is explained in 2/3 parts. No?..It is done in PS CS2... Sorry, I'll look over the thread again. I posted that after a long night of homework...

04-21-2007, 10:51 AM	#35
Donald Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 329	When you layer three images with soft light what opacity and fill %ages have you found acceptable. Alternately, after three images, sharpening, etc, do you brighten as an individual step? Thank you.

04-21-2007, 04:03 PM	#36
Mike Cash Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Japan Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,950	Is everybody who is asking questions also rolling up their sleeves and experimenting with this? From the camera: After experimenting:

04-22-2007, 03:59 AM	#37
Kim Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Helsinki Photos: Gallery Posts: 118	Originally posted by Mike Cash Is everybody who is asking questions also rolling up their sleeves and experimenting with this? From the camera: After experimenting: I'm getting results pretty much like yours. Dunno what I'm supposed to see, but I'm not seeing 30Mpix or anything close to it.

04-23-2007, 08:23 AM	#38
SebG New Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Guadeloupe Posts: 1	Please Benjikan, would you be so kind as to give us more detail on your technique? Apparently nobody here seem to understand what you do, and we can't achieve a good result with what we THINK you do. If you want to present a new technique, then please do it well and give clear instructions, otherwise it's not useful at all.

04-28-2007, 05:08 AM	#39
AndrewShirley Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 421	Ditto, I would love a clear, concise step-by-step outline of your technique. It sounds great and would be very useful to us a little further back on the path. - Andrew

04-28-2007, 05:51 AM	#40
TomE Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 299	Ben, Are you enlarging and shrinking the images by a pixel to get the shift, or are you moving the same size image left or right to get the shift? Tom

04-29-2007, 06:08 AM	#45
TomE Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 299	I tried it by shifting one pixel left and one right using the same size image and I liked the results too. I forgot that is at 300 pixels/inch in CS2. Tom

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