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05-11-2009, 09:33 PM   #91
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Marc Sabatella: I think one can use the analogy quite effectively to answer the original question:

Q: why is D700 noise better than K20 noise
A: same reason a Ferrari performs better than Kia

This doesn't seem idiotic in the least to me - it quite elegantly captures an important and relevant aspect of the full technical explanation.
Analogical thinking is used on SAT, LSAT, and IQ tests to name but a few. It is a fantastic teaching & testing tool, no doubt about it. We must bear in mind, however, analogical thinking is a higher form of brain processing, one which separates man from the brutes. This is why you do not see it used to train, say, an ape. With the ape, a more direct approach is needed; one must approach the ape, at the ape's level.

What we can do is to re-work the original question, so that it answers itself:

How come the Nikon Coolpix S60 (cost=$250) ISO performance is so miserable in comparison to the Pentax K20d?

BTW, my re-working the question is meant only for one member of our audience here--it is not meant for the OP. I only do this because it is clear that all the well-intentioned work of so many good people has not been able to penetrate the head stronged, pathetic, and troubled soul.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Jewelltrail Quote
What we can do is to re-work the original question, so that it answers itself:

How come the Nikon Coolpix S60 (cost=$250) ISO performance is so miserable in comparison to the Pentax K20d?

BTW, my re-working the question is meant only for one member of our audience here--it is not meant for the OP. I only do this because it is clear that all the well-intentioned work of so many good people has not been able to penetrate the head stronged, pathetic, and troubled soul.
If the Nikon S60 in your example were diamond encrusted and cost $100k would it then have better ISO performance than the K20D? ;-)
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We must bear in mind, however, analogical thinking is a higher form of brain processing
LOL. I always thought it was for people who don't understand things technically enough to be able to answer
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QuoteOriginally posted by Marc Sabatella Quote
True. Fortunately, that question was already answered, as you've noted. The analogies help put that technical answer in a little perspective (and it helps answer the logical next question - why doesn't the K20D have a bigger sensor too?). If it's not perspective you personally find useful, or a question you wanted to hear the answer too, fine - feel free to ignore any further discussion of the topic. Please.
No problem. Since I drive a truck, the stupid analogies are no more relevent to me than they are to the OP's question.

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LOL. I always thought it was for people who don't understand things technically enough to be able to answer
Bingo.
Your canoe is in the mail.
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Wheatfield: Since I drive a truck, .......
Is it a full framed truck?
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Here is an interesting article, from a Nikonian point of view, though of no less utility for a Pentaxian.


Full frame and DX sized sensors compared (2) - Nikonians Review Article
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Your canoe is in the mail.
lol. Can I have a SOT yak instead? It'd be a lot more useful for fishing than a canoe. What, what does this have to do w/ the OP's question?

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lol. Can I have a SOT yak instead? It'd be a lot more useful for fishing than a canoe. What, what does this have to do w/ the OP's question?
Well it's like this...
Yer K20 is like a canoe.
The D700 is like a SOT yak......

Or something.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Wheatfield Quote
Well it's like this...
Yer K20 is like a canoe.
The D700 is like a SOT yak......

Or something.
Gosh! I thought the K20D was a bicycle and the D700 was a fish!

Steve

(A very expensive koi-type fish?)
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Yer K20 is like a canoe.
The D700 is like a SOT yak......
Why are we comparing a $1600 Hobie yak w/ a $200 canoe??? And what makes a Hobie better for fishing?
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Why are we comparing a $1600 Hobie yak w/ a $200 canoe??? And what makes a Hobie better for fishing?
Less noise.
It doesn't scare the fish.
Oh yes, it's faster too.
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Gosh! I thought the K20D was a bicycle and the D700 was a fish!

Steve

(A very expensive koi-type fish?)
The bike can carry the fish
but the fish can't carry the bike
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Here is an interesting article, from a Nikonian point of view, though of no less utility for a Pentaxian.


Full frame and DX sized sensors compared (2) - Nikonians Review Article
Very good article, Jewelltrail.
Thanks for the informative article.
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" When that happens I'm sure Nikon will come out with a full-frame sensor, and, as usual, will continue to overstep the competition."

Sour grapes? Naww.
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