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05-13-2009, 11:05 AM   #106
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QuoteOriginally posted by HermanLee Quote
The bike can carry the fish
but the fish can't carry the bike
Oh! But the D700 would be a very BIG, HEAVY, and STRONG fish!

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If I didn't buy into a K20D, then I would probably have bought a D700.

That said, I don't regret the K20D one bit - it's a quarter of the price and I'm sure I can take just as good photos with it as I could with a D700. It would have been nice to have that extra head room with the superb high ISO quality and to tap into top notch Nikkor lenses.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Big G Quote
If I didn't buy into a K20D, then I would probably have bought a D700.

That said, I don't regret the K20D one bit - it's a quarter of the price and I'm sure I can take just as good photos with it as I could with a D700. It would have been nice to have that extra head room with the superb high ISO quality and to tap into top notch Nikkor lenses.
Give me the extra head room. You can keep the Nikkor lenses though.
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QuoteOriginally posted by HermanLee Quote
The bike can carry the fish
but the fish can't carry the bike
It would have to be a full frame bike though.

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Hi Steve

Re your observation:

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Oh! But the D700 would be a very BIG, HEAVY, and STRONG fish!
Are we talking Barracuda vs. Great White Shark here……..lol ?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Wheatfield Quote
You can keep the Nikkor lenses though.
You're not suggesting that the Nikkor lenses aren't good are you?
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You're not suggesting that the Nikkor lenses aren't good are you?
If I thought they were, I'd still be shooting with Nikon. I didn't switch to Pentax just to have a right to bitch about their cameras.
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So what sort of problems did you have with Nikkors?

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Are we talking Barracuda vs. Great White Shark here……..lol ?
Depends how much they cost. I think a shark is worth more in a fish market per pound than barracuda...
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I personally shoot both cameras as well as an original Canon 5D and have some of the best glass for each camera.

The 5D sits in the studio on a shelf as a backup and a test mule.

The D700 and K20D are always with me and there is a big difference in IQ between the two.

The K20D underexposes roughly a 1/3 stop on every photo if it detects enough information in the highlights channel to save you from blowing the highlights. The tonality and contrast is also higher giving you a richer and more pleasing image quality.

The D700 will allow you to overexpose in many situations using it's 3D matrix metering if the highlight region is a small portion of the total image. The contrast and tonality is also lower giving you a flatter image but more workable in post. If you have Active D-lighting enabled it will exposed the shadow region even more giving you more headroom to save shadows but also makes the image appear brighter.

Both cameras render and image differently and yes the noise ratio is much better on the D700 vs ANY other camera on the market, but we are trying to compare an apple to an orange here. In all honesty I can never give up by Pentax system as the color quality and rendition is far superior to Canon and Nikons best right out of the camera and even after some manipulation. My only knock on Pentax is the images are harder to push in post and don't have the headroom for some of the tricker post techniques I use regularly.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Big G Quote
If I didn't buy into a K20D, then I would probably have bought a D700.
Heh. If I could aford a D700, I would have.... A whole lot of film in my house.

Actually, I'd probably have a K20d and some serious medical attention. Better photos that way.
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Hi Codiac

Pound for pound, I think your evaluation of these three DSLR's is probably the fairest and most balanced ones I've yet read on the subject. Just out of interest I recently took a brief opportunity to handle a D700 for a few minutes and whilst there was much to admire, I couldn’t help feeling that overall I still prefer the handling of the K10D. There is something so intuitively correct about it's ergonomic design which other manufacturers would do well to emulate.
One of my primary interests has always been architectural photography and I naturally hope that in due course Pentax will eventually produce a FF body with which to compete in this market sector, but I am rather concerned how long I might have to wait for such an animal to materialise (if ever !). This situation is compounded by the lack of ANY perspective correction lens in Pentax's current line-up, whilst Nikon's 24mm and Canon's 17mm & 24mm TSE offerings fit the bill admirably. Although I still have endless fun with my Sigma 10-20mm, it's still not quite the same thing as a dedicated PC lens, as anyone who has used one for any length of time would no doubt appreciate.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Wheatfield Quote
It would have to be a full frame bike though.
Yes...half-frame bikes kinda suck!!

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Thank you Codiac for your intelligent, balanced, and insightful comment.

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QuoteQuote:
Herman Lee: Very good article, Jewelltrail.
Thanks for the informative article.
You are very welcome.

Yes, thanks Codiac--it is nice to have someone who can speak objectively and who uses both cameras.
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