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05-21-2009, 04:10 AM   #31
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I've read an article that asked if the new K7 would be as good as the Nikon D5000 and the Canon 500D. Aren't these cheap entry level DSLRs? How the hell can you even ask that! The K7 will be kicking the D300 and the 50D's ass.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Cosmo Quote
I've read an article that asked if the new K7 would be as good as the Nikon D5000 and the Canon 500D. Aren't these cheap entry level DSLRs? How the hell can you even ask that! The K7 will be kicking the D300 and the 50D's ass.
The 500D is the current top of the line Rebel / entry level camera indeed. And no, it's not a good comparison. Image quality wise it's a very good camera, and the AF system is pretty darn decent for an "entry level" (though it's like $700) DSLR. But controls, build quality etc are all entry level.

As for "kicking the D300 and the 50D's ass" -- let's hope it does and gives the big two an incentive to come out with even better gear.
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I just want it to do well, so that Pentax can develop more lenses and work on a FF model for the future.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pentaxperson Quote
Wouldn't that be cool.

I don't think the opponent knows that the FA 50mm 1.4 is better than any 50mm Nikon or Canon has EVER MADE...EVER. I am not biased.
I`m sorry but thats untrue. Noct-Nikkor 58\1.2 *is* better i believe.

This is irrelevant though. Take FA43 on and leave him far behind!

None of current Nikkor lenses can compete with that I think, D300 or not.


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QuoteOriginally posted by Nachodog Quote
Hyundais are good, quality, reliable cars with excellent value for your money. I don't take the "Pentax = Hyundai" argument as derogatory at all. I find it apt.
And they often offer more features for less money, indeed a good comparison! Funnily I almost bought a Hyundai a few years ago, it was my choice but my wife decided otherwise.
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I own both a d300 and a k20d.Here is my 2 cents worth.I find my images have more punch with the k20d than the d300.When shooting landscapes the d300 stays home.When I need to shoot at high iso's without flash you can't beat the d300 though images do appear to be a little soft at 1600 and up.The k20d at 1600 still keeps a sharp image but grain is apparent.
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Yeah ok good game comparing a 1200 euro camera to a 650 one...
Still, I have used both and K20D stands so close to D300 it almost feels like a steal to have to pay twice as much for the Nikon. From what I have seen, ISO quality is almost identical up to 800 with the D300 getting lead on 1600. 3200 is unusable on both with my standards.
I haven t used them in sporty situations so I ll just take everyone's word that D300 wins this one.
Still, with K20 at half the price, I really don t see any reason why to pay for a Nikon other than if you mainly shoot sports or if you are a brand freak...
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QuoteOriginally posted by dimkasta Quote
Yeah ok good game comparing a 1200 euro camera to a 650 one...
Still, I have used both and K20D stands so close to D300 it almost feels like a steal to have to pay twice as much for the Nikon. From what I have seen, ISO quality is almost identical up to 800 with the D300 getting lead on 1600. 3200 is unusable on both with my standards.
I haven t used them in sporty situations so I ll just take everyone's word that D300 wins this one.
Still, with K20 at half the price, I really don t see any reason why to pay for a Nikon other than if you mainly shoot sports or if you are a brand freak...
D300 focuses a LOT faster in 'low' light compared to the K20D. It's not also just the body that dictates what camera you buy, but the lens/flash selection also.

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I think you should be allowed to tweak the sharpness and contrast since the factory settings most likely are based on two different philosophies.
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You want to compare cameras not default settings (i.e., manufacturer image philosophies). The best approach would be to shoot RAW and use the same converter for both with the same settings.
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QuoteOriginally posted by daleroy Quote
D300 focuses a LOT faster in 'low' light compared to the K20D. It's not also just the body that dictates what camera you buy, but the lens/flash selection also.




QuoteOriginally posted by Pentaxperson Quote
Ok.. on one of the forums I get on (automotive oriented)

Someone was looking for a great DSLR in the 600-800. range and I suggested as K20d.
D300 vs K20D ?
I have no experience of that.
But I did have one D200 vs the lowly Pentax DL back 2 yrs ago.
I think the DL might have an edge if the photographer's setting and a not quite acknowledged Pentax prime lens were involved. Some of the images were not even taken by me
It was fun though

http://forums.steves-digicams.com/pentax-lenses


/135162-fa28mm-compared-prof-nikon-zoom.html


The site address of this long thread has to be joined. At the end of day a Nikon D200 user did chime in as well



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Nikon Ai launched in 1977.

You might want to make that 33 year old lens comparision as theres no problem with using 30 year old, or 31 year old or 32 year old nikon lenses on a nikon D300 dslr.

Non Ai or Nikon "F" mount is the cutoff and thats the nikon mount up thru 1976. 1977 Ai, & 1981 AiS and later are "All Good" on Nikon D300.

I know first hand via my D700 and my Ai lenses I've been buying up used lately for a fraction, like 1/2 the money, of same SMC-A focal length glass. My mint 85mm 1.4 AiS with hood was $628 delivered. Flawless and like new. D700 stores up to 9 lenses in database in camera so metadata is complete and idiot green light for focus not only works perfect but even tells you which direction to focus lens in with green arrows. Cool stuff. I'd guess in lowlight D300 will top K20D whereas K20D viewscreen is better. Its best playback screen I own.


Here's an easy to read chart detailing Nikon F "Non Ai", Ai, AiS lens build dates:

http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/serialno.html

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How about adding another rule; Lens must be at least 30 years old.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Damn Brit Quote
How about adding another rule; Lens must be at least 30 years old.
Love that rule.

This is from A300mmF4 . If I am correct it was made in late 80s. To make full use of the burst rate you need to use manual focus & exposure















If Pentax has higher frame rate I would be able to get at least another keeper between these consecutive burst shots



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QuoteOriginally posted by daleroy Quote
D300 focuses a LOT faster in 'low' light compared to the K20D. It's not also just the body that dictates what camera you buy, but the lens/flash selection also.
Well said. When buying into a camera system your are investing in more than just the camera body alone. Nikon does have more readily available glass (albeit more expensive and not as old :P ) Also, the nikon flash system simply cannot be matched by any other manufacturer.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Samsungian Quote
I know first hand via my D700 and my Ai lenses I've been buying up used lately for a fraction, like 1/2 the money, of same SMC-A focal length glass. My mint 85mm 1.4 AiS with hood was $628 delivered. Flawless and like new.)
That particular Pentax lens is pricey indeed, just cause there weren't as *many* of them... of course, in APS-C, I don't *need* a fast 85: a two hundred dollar, brand new FA 50 will do that job and be even lighter and smaller than my beloved 85 1.8 SSC. Not to mention for the money you spent I could have Zeiss or a Nokton or probably with a little patience, the new 55.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ratmagiclady Quote
in APS-C, I don't *need* a fast 85: a two hundred dollar, brand new FA 50 will do that job and be even lighter and smaller than my beloved 85 1.8 SSC.
The bokeh is smoother w/ the 85/1.4 though. 50/1.4 cropped has more DOF than an 85/1.4 cropped.
I still lust after a 200/2 for portrait work...talk about background blur....
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