Experiences with the new K-7 Camera (lots of imgs)

soccerjoe5 · 06-09-2009, 04:40 AM

Can't wait to get one!

Just to make sure, the lens correction also applies to RAW right? Both the distortion and CA? That'd be awesome!

blende8 · 06-09-2009, 04:45 AM

Originally posted by soccerjoe5

Just to make sure, the lens correction also applies to RAW right? Both the distortion and CA?

No.
JPG only.
I suspect it will be a new function in PPL4.

frank · 06-09-2009, 04:49 AM

Originally posted by Dr_who

no rush frank, its 3am here now in Edmonton Alberta so maybe I can see them when I wake up lol. I look forward to seeing more images. The distortion correction is impressive as well.

Here you go, 100% crop of the head and shoulder. Hope it's big enough for you to see the details

and · 06-09-2009, 05:02 AM

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frank · 06-09-2009, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by Ishpuini

Hi Frank,

I'm really looking forward to my K-7. Unfortunately I'll have to wait until I can actually buy it in a shop here... No previews for me... :-(

Anyway, one thing that has me constantly wondering is which is those cool features will be available to RAW photographers?

I'm thinking about:
- HDR (multi exposure is, so HDR too?))
- Lens corrections
- EDR (does it or doesn't it? I always believed it did make a difference in RAW on the K20D)

[EDIT]
One more thing... It would be kinda nice to see a focussing screen from a K10D/K20D next to the one in the K-7. Only if you're confident enough to take them out of course!!
[/EDIT]

Wim

Hi Wim,

Lens correction is available for RAW, but HDR isn't. I don't know if EDR is effective on RAW, but it is there when set to shoot in RAW, so probably it does affect RAW files too.

I don't mind taking a photo of the focusing screen, but have to wait until the kids are all in bed asleep. Will update later

frank · 06-09-2009, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by blende8

Is that your excuse?

Yup, when the photos are bad, blame the gear. This works all the time

frank · 06-09-2009, 05:10 AM

Originally posted by soccerjoe5

Can't wait to get one!

Just to make sure, the lens correction also applies to RAW right? Both the distortion and CA? That'd be awesome!

Originally posted by blende8

No.
JPG only.
I suspect it will be a new function in PPL4.

Well, actually they work on RAW too, at least the camera I'm having is the case

frank · 06-09-2009, 05:14 AM

Originally posted by and

bandwidth exceeded

Really? That's bad

I'll upgrade my account to pro one then. Been using it free for several years, worth upgrading I guess

EDIT: upgraded to pro account, now unlimited bandwidth ...

blende8 · 06-09-2009, 05:15 AM

Originally posted by frank

Well, actually they work on RAW too, at least the camera I'm having is the case

You mean the RAW files look different?
On the camera I had only the JPG is affected.
My RAW files look identical (corrected/uncorrected).

and · 06-09-2009, 05:22 AM

Originally posted by frank

Really? That's bad

I'll upgrade my account to pro one then. Been using it free for several years, worth upgrading I guess

I dont think the free flickr accounts have that problem

pcarfan · 06-09-2009, 05:22 AM

Thank you for the review....love the shots...This K-7 is going to be a huge success.

frank · 06-09-2009, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by blende8

You mean the RAW files look different?
On the camera I had only the JPG is affected.
My RAW files look identical (corrected/uncorrected).

Just tested on the distortion correction for RAW output, yes, it is effective. The RAW file is definitely corrected when this option is enabled

frank · 06-09-2009, 05:46 AM

Originally posted by and

I dont think the free flickr accounts have that problem

But flickr site is blocked by some countries like China and etc.

Ishpuini · 06-09-2009, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by frank

Lens correction is available for RAW, but HDR isn't. I don't know if EDR is effective on RAW, but it is there when set to shoot in RAW, so probably it does affect RAW files too.

Cool, happy to see lens corrections available. I would hate to have to use the Pentax software to exploit the corrections.
Pity about HDR (esp since multi exposure does work in RAW), but I guess doing it in PP on a bracketed series gives more possibilities.
EDR. That was my assumption on the K20D too, but I never saw real proof. I guess the fact that EDR remains possible in RAW confirms that it does make a difference.

Originally posted by frank

I don't mind taking a photo of the focusing screen, but have to wait until the kids are all in bed asleep. Will update later

I can imagine you would need calm surroundings to do this. Two kids running around generally don't help...

Thanks in advance!

Wim

Maffer · 06-09-2009, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by frank

Just tested on the distortion correction for RAW output, yes, it is effective. The RAW file is definitely corrected when this option is enabled

Hmm, sounds nice actually. I wouldn't mind having these kind of corrections for RAW file if they really work. But how did you test that the RAW is definitely corrected in camera? If you checked with the camera playback function, isn't the photo shown the embedded jpg image? Or did you convert with RAWs with the new pentax software? In that case the program might be doing the tricks. Sorry for asking these questions but it's weird to see totally different opinions from two actual camera testers.

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06-09-2009, 05:22 AM	#41
pcarfan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dayton, Ohio Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,978	Thank you for the review....love the shots...This K-7 is going to be a huge success. Last edited by pcarfan; 06-09-2009 at 05:30 AM.

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06-09-2009, 04:40 AM	#31
soccerjoe5 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,343	Can't wait to get one! Just to make sure, the lens correction also applies to RAW right? Both the distortion and CA? That'd be awesome!

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blende8 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bremen, Germany Photos: Albums Posts: 1,521	Originally posted by soccerjoe5 Just to make sure, the lens correction also applies to RAW right? Both the distortion and CA? No. JPG only. I suspect it will be a new function in PPL4.

06-09-2009, 04:49 AM	#33
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by Dr_who no rush frank, its 3am here now in Edmonton Alberta so maybe I can see them when I wake up lol. I look forward to seeing more images. The distortion correction is impressive as well. Here you go, 100% crop of the head and shoulder. Hope it's big enough for you to see the details

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06-09-2009, 05:08 AM	#35
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by Ishpuini Hi Frank, I'm really looking forward to my K-7. Unfortunately I'll have to wait until I can actually buy it in a shop here... No previews for me... :-( Anyway, one thing that has me constantly wondering is which is those cool features will be available to RAW photographers? I'm thinking about: - HDR (multi exposure is, so HDR too?)) - Lens corrections - EDR (does it or doesn't it? I always believed it did make a difference in RAW on the K20D) [EDIT] One more thing... It would be kinda nice to see a focussing screen from a K10D/K20D next to the one in the K-7. Only if you're confident enough to take them out of course!! [/EDIT] Wim Hi Wim, Lens correction is available for RAW, but HDR isn't. I don't know if EDR is effective on RAW, but it is there when set to shoot in RAW, so probably it does affect RAW files too. I don't mind taking a photo of the focusing screen, but have to wait until the kids are all in bed asleep. Will update later

06-09-2009, 05:09 AM	#36
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by blende8 Is that your excuse? Yup, when the photos are bad, blame the gear. This works all the time

06-09-2009, 05:10 AM	#37
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by soccerjoe5 Can't wait to get one! Just to make sure, the lens correction also applies to RAW right? Both the distortion and CA? That'd be awesome! Originally posted by blende8 No. JPG only. I suspect it will be a new function in PPL4. Well, actually they work on RAW too, at least the camera I'm having is the case

06-09-2009, 05:15 AM	#39
blende8 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bremen, Germany Photos: Albums Posts: 1,521	Originally posted by frank Well, actually they work on RAW too, at least the camera I'm having is the case You mean the RAW files look different? On the camera I had only the JPG is affected. My RAW files look identical (corrected/uncorrected).

06-09-2009, 05:22 AM	#40
and Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,476	Originally posted by frank Really? That's bad I'll upgrade my account to pro one then. Been using it free for several years, worth upgrading I guess I dont think the free flickr accounts have that problem

06-09-2009, 05:42 AM	#42
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by blende8 You mean the RAW files look different? On the camera I had only the JPG is affected. My RAW files look identical (corrected/uncorrected). Just tested on the distortion correction for RAW output, yes, it is effective. The RAW file is definitely corrected when this option is enabled

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06-09-2009, 05:46 AM	#43
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by and I dont think the free flickr accounts have that problem But flickr site is blocked by some countries like China and etc.

06-09-2009, 06:03 AM	#44
Ishpuini Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,727	Originally posted by frank Lens correction is available for RAW, but HDR isn't. I don't know if EDR is effective on RAW, but it is there when set to shoot in RAW, so probably it does affect RAW files too. Cool, happy to see lens corrections available. I would hate to have to use the Pentax software to exploit the corrections. Pity about HDR (esp since multi exposure does work in RAW), but I guess doing it in PP on a bracketed series gives more possibilities. EDR. That was my assumption on the K20D too, but I never saw real proof. I guess the fact that EDR remains possible in RAW confirms that it does make a difference. Originally posted by frank I don't mind taking a photo of the focusing screen, but have to wait until the kids are all in bed asleep. Will update later I can imagine you would need calm surroundings to do this. Two kids running around generally don't help... Thanks in advance! Wim

06-09-2009, 06:14 AM	#45
Maffer Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 308	Originally posted by frank Just tested on the distortion correction for RAW output, yes, it is effective. The RAW file is definitely corrected when this option is enabled Hmm, sounds nice actually. I wouldn't mind having these kind of corrections for RAW file if they really work. But how did you test that the RAW is definitely corrected in camera? If you checked with the camera playback function, isn't the photo shown the embedded jpg image? Or did you convert with RAWs with the new pentax software? In that case the program might be doing the tricks. Sorry for asking these questions but it's weird to see totally different opinions from two actual camera testers.