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04-06-2010, 11:15 AM   #451
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WOW! amazing!

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QuoteOriginally posted by simico Quote
Do you have the full size pic somewhere on the net? I wonder how it looks in pixel-peeping mode
Sure, why not - have a ball, but don't expect miracles, of course. Here's a link to the full size version (as you may notice, the version I originally posted was cropped slightly):

http://www.marcsabatella.com/photo/misc/MJS_100404_6617q.jpg

BTW, this was processed with ACDSee Pro using 100% chroma NR and 33% luminance. Rather more luminance NR than I normally use, but despite the slow shutter speed I had detail to spare, it seemed to me.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ar9 Quote
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Brilliant!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Marc Sabatella Quote
Sure, why not - have a ball, but don't expect miracles, of course. Here's a link to the full size version (as you may notice, the version I originally posted was cropped slightly):

http://www.marcsabatella.com/photo/misc/MJS_100404_6617q.jpg

BTW, this was processed with ACDSee Pro using 100% chroma NR and 33% luminance. Rather more luminance NR than I normally use, but despite the slow shutter speed I had detail to spare, it seemed to me.
Marc, have you tried the LR3 Beta? the NR tool on that one is unbelievable. effective NR + detail retention and enhancements. from what I had seen so far, it's miles better than the ACDSee Pro 3's NR and even still much better than Noiseware Pro. it looks to go head to head with the Topaz Denoise.

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I've been curious about LR 3, of course, but hadn't tried it. Prompted by your response, I downloaded the beta yesterday. Impressive, indeed. I'm not sure I like the results or degree of control better than Noiseware or Neat Image, but it's comparable, at least, and if one were using LR regularly anyhow, it would certainly win big time on convenience. If you're not already using a workflow solution you like, this is definitely a major point in LR's favor. Still, there are enough other things I prefer about ACDSee Pro, plus I have enough work invested in that application, that I'm in no hurry to switch. I expect I'll continue to use ACDSee's controls for most procesisng, and going to the trouble of popping out to Neat Image or Noiseware (both of which I have installed in free versions only) only on rare occasions when I have a particular need for more.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ar9 Quote
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The K-x doesn't have ISO 2500....
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Marc Sabatella: I've been curious about LR 3, of course, but hadn't tried it. Prompted by your response, I downloaded the beta yesterday. Impressive, indeed. I'm not sure I like the results or degree of control better than Noiseware or Neat Image, but it's comparable, at least, and if one were using LR regularly anyhow, it would certainly win big time on convenience. If you're not already using a workflow solution you like, this is definitely a major point in LR's favor. Still, there are enough other things I prefer about ACDSee Pro, plus I have enough work invested in that application, that I'm in no hurry to switch. I expect I'll continue to use ACDSee's controls for most procesisng, and going to the trouble of popping out to Neat Image or Noiseware (both of which I have installed in free versions only) only on rare occasions when I have a particular need for more.
Marc, thank you, very much, for taking time to make this post--it has helped me a good deal. I was wondering just how good the LR 3 actually is. I currently, similar to you, have a free version of Neat Image which I only use here and there. You have sealed my decision to stick with that work flow solution--Best!
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from what I personally evaluated, LR3 is a great software and pretty simple for RAW output. I prefer it better than PS. PS for me is just too powerful of a tool and find less use for it's other features, unless you do extensive post-processing.

as far as NR tools and features are concerned, they are getting better everytime where it could make a software-based High ISO result look great. the amount of detail retained versus the amount of noise removed looked to have improved significantly. sometimes you just wonder, whether camera-based NR options would still be necessary. probably it would work well for jpeg shooters printing or viewing on a small scale level where details and NR aren't really scrutinized deeply nor it is of any real concerns. for anyone who does post-process afterwards, evidently, RAW conversion would be better.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ar9 Quote
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Very nice capture with the DA70, regardless of ISO.
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The K-x doesn't have ISO 2500....
Sure it does. In the Custom Menu Line 1, set your Ev Steps to 1/3, then set Sensitivity (line 2) to "as Ev steps".

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I'm thinking we need more ISO 6400 shots from the K20d thrown in here too: the KXers are too prolific. Just grabbed my K20d, currently equipped with a $16 Ebay mf Osawa 70-210 4-5 lens, aimed and fired across the room. Shot about 200mm, f5, ISO6400 noise reduction @ weakest. Raw, No PPing at all, just downsizing for the 1st shot--2nd shot No PPing, just converted Raw %100 crop.





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QuoteOriginally posted by Jewelltrail Quote
I'm thinking we need more ISO 6400 shots from the K20d thrown in here too: the KXers are too prolific. Just grabbed my K20d, currently equipped with a $16 Ebay mf Osawa 70-210 4-5 lens, aimed and fired across the room. Shot about 200mm, f5, ISO6400 noise reduction @ weakest. Raw, No PPing at all, just downsizing for the 1st shot--2nd shot No PPing, just converted Raw %100 crop.




can't blame them. it's the only obvious department the k-x really excels at. at the end of the day, most people would shoot at base ISO as much as they possibly can. I wouldn't shoot past 400 on a good regular day or with enough good lighting unless I really have to, which is not that often.
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Pentaxor: can't blame them. it's the only obvious department the k-x really excels at. at the end of the day, most people would shoot at base ISO as much as they possibly can. I wouldn't shoot past 400 on a good regular day or with enough good lighting unless I really have to, which is not that often.
You are spot on. In the last 12 months, there was one day when I needed to go to ISO 3200--at the New England Aquarium. Otherwise, I'm @ ISO 400 on down. I too think too much is made of the High ISO thing.
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You are spot on. In the last 12 months, there was one day when I needed to go to ISO 3200--at the New England Aquarium. Otherwise, I'm @ ISO 400 on down. I too think too much is made of the High ISO thing.
until the day they make ISO 3200 IQ as good as ISO 50 IQ, then that would be the day that HigH ISO would matter most. as of the moment, optimal IQ would still be at base ISO clearly.

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