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falconeye · 07-02-2009, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by kent

I hope you will post review, main advantages and disadvantages

Originally posted by planedriver

how do you like the viewfinder?

These are pretty sad questions after Frank kept reporting and testing over the last month.

mickey · 07-02-2009, 07:23 AM

That W80 is stealing some of the limelight from the K-7.
Looks like a good bit of kit.
Thanks for posting the pics.

maxwell1295 · 07-02-2009, 09:52 AM

Frank, what can you tell me about the low-light (as in damn near dark) focus on the K7?

Does is lock relatively quickly.....or hunt back and forth without locking focus at all like the K20D? Does the focus assist lamp make this body a low-light (wedding in a dark church or nightclub) killer?

grishazzz · 07-02-2009, 01:33 PM

nice camera!!! congrats!!!
Please tell us more about auto-focus speed!

falconeye · 07-02-2009, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by maxwell1295

Does the focus assist lamp make this body a low-light nightclub killer?

Yes. Green light will kill the people

Btw, find all your answers when reading my blog. It's all been tested throughout the past month. By frank, myself and some others.

frank · 07-02-2009, 07:43 PM

As Falk said, we've been doing tests for nearly a month. The production version isn't much different from the beta one, in all aspects. So just read Falk's blog, you'll see what the new K7 is capable of

To just answer some of your Qs, AF is definitely faster, especially w/ non-SDM lenses. It's much more decisive under low light. But this isn't the biggest thing to me. The biggest jump to me is: the super quiet shutter and much shorter shutter lag. You need to try it to see the difference, it's not like a Pentax camera in these regards, and I've used many Pentax cameras from early manual ones to the latest AF ones

After playing the testing K7 for 2 weeks, I just couldn't get used to the K10D, not for the IQ but for the shutter. This along is worth the upgrade imo.

raider · 07-02-2009, 09:19 PM

Hi Frank, are the banding issues associated with k10D/K20D resolved with the K-7?

grishazzz · 07-03-2009, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by frank

As Falk said, we've been doing tests for nearly a month. The production version isn't much different from the beta one, in all aspects. So just read Falk's blog, you'll see what the new K7 is capable of

To just answer some of your Qs, AF is definitely faster, especially w/ non-SDM lenses. It's much more decisive under low light. imo.

It sounds like: AF speed is ok, but still not fast enough, comparing to other big brands on a market

Please correct me if I am wrong.
Personally I don't care about shutter noise, I can live with noise

AF speed is my biggest concern.

Pentaxor · 07-03-2009, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by grishazzz

It sounds like: AF speed is ok, but still not fast enough, comparing to other big brands on a market

Please correct me if I am wrong.
Personally I don't care about shutter noise, I can live with noise

AF speed is my biggest concern.

auto-focus speed would also depend on lens speed and lighting condition. about comparing the K-7 which frank tested to be faster than the k20d,speaks in itself that the K-7 is really fast. camera brands have nothing to do with superior AF speed. it's a combination of the camera's auto-focus capability, lenses used, and the photographer's knowledge on focusing. so it doesn't matter if you're handling an Mk II, if a K20D user focuses faster than the Mk II. does that mean that the K20d's focusing is better than the MKII? again, it's about learning the ropes regarding focusing. you cannot judge which system is faster unless you've learned to maximize or reach the full potential of a camera's AF capability.

yipchunyu · 07-03-2009, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by Pentaxor

auto-focus speed would also depend on lens speed and lighting condition. about comparing the K-7 which frank tested to be faster than the k20d,speaks in itself that the K-7 is really fast. camera brands have nothing to do with superior AF speed. it's a combination of the camera's auto-focus capability, lenses used, and the photographer's knowledge on focusing. so it doesn't matter if you're handling an Mk II, if a K20D user focuses faster than the Mk II. does that mean that the K20d's focusing is better than the MKII? again, it's about learning the ropes regarding focusing. you cannot judge which system is faster unless you've learned to maximize or reach the full potential of a camera's AF capability.

absolutely agree. a HK magazine used a DA* 16-50 to test and said it's a lot slower than Nikon's and Canon's.
I don't know whether DA* 16-50 is fast len or not.
If you use Canon's 85 1.2 to test, it's really sloooow and you can't said Canon's DSLR is very slow. you need to compare the AF speed with len + camera.

Bunny Gear · 07-03-2009, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by frank

Thanks again guys

I'm afraid I can't. You'll get one in your K-7 box

why not? is it a problem? I can't plan to buy K-7.

Bunny Gear · 07-03-2009, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by grishazzz

nice camera!!! congrats!!!
Please tell us more about auto-focus speed!

Falk Lumo: K-7 and its continuous autofocus -- PART I
Falk Lumo: K-7 and its continuous autofocus -- PART II

frank · 07-03-2009, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by grishazzz

It sounds like: AF speed is ok, but still not fast enough, comparing to other big brands on a market

Please correct me if I am wrong.
Personally I don't care about shutter noise, I can live with noise

AF speed is my biggest concern.

Well, in that case probably you should think about getting a high end camera from Canon or Nikon. I don't think K-7 can match their high end cameras' speed, although it's pretty fast to my standard.

To me, the quiet shutter and short shutter lag are more important. If I care about AF speed so much, I wouldn't have stayed w/ Pentax

frank · 07-03-2009, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Bunny Gear

why not? is it a problem? I can't plan to buy K-7.

I don't think the software is free, unless you buy the camera ...

I'm sure someone else would post it on the web for download, but not from me. Sorry.

frank · 07-03-2009, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by raider

Hi Frank, are the banding issues associated with k10D/K20D resolved with the K-7?

Hmm, what banding issues? I didn't see any when I had the K10D or K20D ...

07-02-2009, 03:19 AM	#31
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by kent I hope you will post review, main advantages and disadvantages Originally posted by planedriver how do you like the viewfinder? These are pretty sad questions after Frank kept reporting and testing over the last month.

07-02-2009, 07:23 AM	#32
mickey Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Japan Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,146	That W80 is stealing some of the limelight from the K-7. Looks like a good bit of kit. Thanks for posting the pics.

07-02-2009, 09:52 AM	#33
maxwell1295 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Long Island, New York Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,703	Frank, what can you tell me about the low-light (as in damn near dark) focus on the K7? Does is lock relatively quickly.....or hunt back and forth without locking focus at all like the K20D? Does the focus assist lamp make this body a low-light (wedding in a dark church or nightclub) killer?

07-02-2009, 01:33 PM	#34
grishazzz Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: LA Posts: 80	nice camera!!! congrats!!! Please tell us more about auto-focus speed!

07-02-2009, 07:21 PM	#35
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by maxwell1295 Does the focus assist lamp make this body a low-light nightclub killer? Yes. Green light will kill the people Btw, find all your answers when reading my blog. It's all been tested throughout the past month. By frank, myself and some others.

07-02-2009, 07:43 PM	#36
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	As Falk said, we've been doing tests for nearly a month. The production version isn't much different from the beta one, in all aspects. So just read Falk's blog, you'll see what the new K7 is capable of To just answer some of your Qs, AF is definitely faster, especially w/ non-SDM lenses. It's much more decisive under low light. But this isn't the biggest thing to me. The biggest jump to me is: the super quiet shutter and much shorter shutter lag. You need to try it to see the difference, it's not like a Pentax camera in these regards, and I've used many Pentax cameras from early manual ones to the latest AF ones After playing the testing K7 for 2 weeks, I just couldn't get used to the K10D, not for the IQ but for the shutter. This along is worth the upgrade imo.

07-02-2009, 09:19 PM	#37
raider Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Perth, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,989	Hi Frank, are the banding issues associated with k10D/K20D resolved with the K-7?

07-03-2009, 01:13 AM	#38
grishazzz Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: LA Posts: 80	Originally posted by frank As Falk said, we've been doing tests for nearly a month. The production version isn't much different from the beta one, in all aspects. So just read Falk's blog, you'll see what the new K7 is capable of To just answer some of your Qs, AF is definitely faster, especially w/ non-SDM lenses. It's much more decisive under low light. imo. It sounds like: AF speed is ok, but still not fast enough, comparing to other big brands on a market Please correct me if I am wrong. Personally I don't care about shutter noise, I can live with noise AF speed is my biggest concern.

07-03-2009, 01:38 AM	#39
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by grishazzz It sounds like: AF speed is ok, but still not fast enough, comparing to other big brands on a market Please correct me if I am wrong. Personally I don't care about shutter noise, I can live with noise AF speed is my biggest concern. auto-focus speed would also depend on lens speed and lighting condition. about comparing the K-7 which frank tested to be faster than the k20d,speaks in itself that the K-7 is really fast. camera brands have nothing to do with superior AF speed. it's a combination of the camera's auto-focus capability, lenses used, and the photographer's knowledge on focusing. so it doesn't matter if you're handling an Mk II, if a K20D user focuses faster than the Mk II. does that mean that the K20d's focusing is better than the MKII? again, it's about learning the ropes regarding focusing. you cannot judge which system is faster unless you've learned to maximize or reach the full potential of a camera's AF capability.

07-03-2009, 05:52 AM	#40
yipchunyu Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: HK Posts: 171	Originally posted by Pentaxor auto-focus speed would also depend on lens speed and lighting condition. about comparing the K-7 which frank tested to be faster than the k20d,speaks in itself that the K-7 is really fast. camera brands have nothing to do with superior AF speed. it's a combination of the camera's auto-focus capability, lenses used, and the photographer's knowledge on focusing. so it doesn't matter if you're handling an Mk II, if a K20D user focuses faster than the Mk II. does that mean that the K20d's focusing is better than the MKII? again, it's about learning the ropes regarding focusing. you cannot judge which system is faster unless you've learned to maximize or reach the full potential of a camera's AF capability. absolutely agree. a HK magazine used a DA* 16-50 to test and said it's a lot slower than Nikon's and Canon's. I don't know whether DA* 16-50 is fast len or not. If you use Canon's 85 1.2 to test, it's really sloooow and you can't said Canon's DSLR is very slow. you need to compare the AF speed with len + camera.

07-03-2009, 08:29 AM	#41
Bunny Gear Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: China Posts: 53	Originally posted by frank Thanks again guys I'm afraid I can't. You'll get one in your K-7 box why not? is it a problem? I can't plan to buy K-7.

07-03-2009, 08:32 AM	#42
Bunny Gear Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: China Posts: 53	Originally posted by grishazzz nice camera!!! congrats!!! Please tell us more about auto-focus speed! Falk Lumo: K-7 and its continuous autofocus -- PART I Falk Lumo: K-7 and its continuous autofocus -- PART II

07-03-2009, 10:21 AM	#43
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by grishazzz It sounds like: AF speed is ok, but still not fast enough, comparing to other big brands on a market Please correct me if I am wrong. Personally I don't care about shutter noise, I can live with noise AF speed is my biggest concern. Well, in that case probably you should think about getting a high end camera from Canon or Nikon. I don't think K-7 can match their high end cameras' speed, although it's pretty fast to my standard. To me, the quiet shutter and short shutter lag are more important. If I care about AF speed so much, I wouldn't have stayed w/ Pentax

07-03-2009, 10:23 AM	#44
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by Bunny Gear why not? is it a problem? I can't plan to buy K-7. I don't think the software is free, unless you buy the camera ... I'm sure someone else would post it on the web for download, but not from me. Sorry.

07-03-2009, 10:24 AM	#45
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by raider Hi Frank, are the banding issues associated with k10D/K20D resolved with the K-7? Hmm, what banding issues? I didn't see any when I had the K10D or K20D ...

Just got my new K-7 :D

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