K7 busted sensor strikes production body

Daveinozbikes · 07-10-2009, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by brecklundin

I would...no reason for that issue to exist. Now ever and especially nit when ya paid full boat MSRP for the thing in order to help support the company.

Is this a case of some component overheating? I wonder if by making the body so compact the air flow is significantly different. I would love to read about someone living in like Fresno, Mojave, Palm Springs or some back-country dust farm in Australia (wait it's not summer down south...so it's not warm, right?) but someone somewhere hot taking the thing out for a shoot in the hot sun for a few hours. OK, someone living in the Midwest or, even better a hot muggy summer day shooting in the beach in Florida or the , Texas the Gulf of Mexico...just somewhere HOT...an oven should to as well!! hehehe...JUST JOKING ABOUT THE OVEN DON'T TRY IT...

I have to admit I never considered cooling as an issue for a DSLR. I guess it is just another electronic device and needs proper airflow as much as any other such device.

So that"s why they make the bodies so big in Canikon land ???????

Maffer · 07-10-2009, 03:17 AM

There's nothing wrong in camera body being large. Not everyone has tiny weeny little sticks otherwise known as fingers.

K-9 · 07-10-2009, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by Fototim

If I've read this correctly, they just lost their chance. Ritz Camera Files Auction Plans for 400 Stores with Bankruptcy Court

"A hearing on the bidding is scheduled for July 10 at the U.S. Bankruptcy in Wilmington, and Ritz Camera Centers intends to hold the auction on July 20 with a court hearing on July 23 to approve the sale. Once approved by the court, going out of business sales could be held the next day, according to Reuters’s reporting."

Looks like I'll be back hitting the remaining Ritz stores on July 24th! Although, I checked two of the few remaining stores left open in my area, and they had absolutely nothing Pentax at all. I'll have to hunt for the ones that do.

Torphoto · 07-10-2009, 06:55 AM

New day, new card and still get lines, I'm giving the camera till monday then I'm sending it back for another, I really really like this camera, I just hope I got an early adopter bad sample here.

K-9 · 07-10-2009, 09:10 AM

With any electronics, if something does something bizarre or out of the ordinary once, it may repeat it again later. Even if the flaw happened and then disappeared for a while, I wouldn't chance it. Why not just get an exchange for a brand new one?

Torphoto · 07-10-2009, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by K-9

With any electronics, if something does something bizarre or out of the ordinary once, it may repeat it again later. Even if the flaw happened and then disappeared for a while, I wouldn't chance it. Why not just get an exchange for a brand new one?

Good point, ok now where's that fedex truck

brecklundin · 07-10-2009, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by K-9

With any electronics, if something does something bizarre or out of the ordinary once, it may repeat it again later. Even if the flaw happened and then disappeared for a while, I wouldn't chance it. Why not just get an exchange for a brand new one?

I agree...even more so when one pays the full boat MSRP like is being charged for the K7 right now. People who are willing to take the chance of buying early releases of any electronic item deserve a perfect product considering the premuim they are paying to be in that first group of owners.

kitkat · 07-10-2009, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by brecklundin

I agree...even more so when one pays the full boat MSRP like is being charged for the K7 right now. People who are willing to take the chance of buying early releases of any electronic item deserve a perfect product considering the premuim they are paying to be in that first group of owners.

People who are willing to take the chance of buying early releases (aka v1.0) of anything are pioneers. How do you tell pioneers from the crowd - they're the ones with arrows sticking out of their backs! I would never, ever, buy the first model of anything anymore - I've been burnt too many times!

kittykat46 · 07-10-2009, 07:25 PM

The best recommendation for those who encounter this problem would be to return the unit. Its definitely a problem with the unit.

I work in the electronics industry (nothing related to cameras

). My experience with product launch stock is that in terms of build quality, they are about as good as it gets. They are likely to be checked 100% multiple times to ensure no "duds" interfere with the launch.

The risk is higher with
a) "Unknown" problems. There are issues which engineers have not been able to identify during testing, and only arise after e.g. 6 months of heavy usage.
b) And... this one is a lot more controversial. Known problems which may only occur in e.g. 0.1% of the units, and won't injure anyone or fry the equipment.
Top management may sign off on it and stay with the product launch date - "Let the warranty system handle it".....I'm not in those circles which make such decisions

but I'm aware they do get made sometimes...

I won't be surprised if this one is such a case.

Christopher M.W.T · 07-10-2009, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by kittykat46

The best recommendation for those who encounter this problem would be to return the unit. Its definitely a problem with the unit.

I work in the electronics industry (nothing related to cameras

). My experience with product launch stock is that in terms of build quality, they are about as good as it gets. They are likely to be checked 100% multiple times to ensure no "duds" interfere with the launch.

The risk is higher with
a) "Unknown" problems. There are issues which engineers have not been able to identify during testing, and only arise after e.g. 6 months of heavy usage.
b) And... this one is a lot more controversial. Known problems which may only occur in e.g. 0.1% of the units, and won't injure anyone or fry the equipment.
Top management may sign off on it and stay with the product launch date - "Let the warranty system handle it".....I'm not in those circles which make such decisions

but I'm aware they do get made sometimes...

I won't be surprised if this one is such a case.

In video mode I found a similar line is apparent in very dark scenes.

Also please take a look at the very dark part of the image, near the bottom where the PS3 & receiver are. It's very speckly. I'm still not convinced this is normal.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3708946434_1ed28caf90_o.jpg

jeffkrol · 07-10-2009, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by C.W Tsorotes

In video mode I found a similar line is apparent in very dark scenes.

Also please take a look at the very dark part of the image, near the bottom where the PS3 & receiver are. It's very speckly. I'm still not convinced this is normal.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3708946434_1ed28caf90_o.jpg

I'm not convinced it is abnormal. Noise seems well, as noise seems. And quite uniform..

arpaagent · 07-10-2009, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by C.W Tsorotes

In video mode I found a similar line is apparent in very dark scenes.

Also please take a look at the very dark part of the image, near the bottom where the PS3 & receiver are. It's very speckly. I'm still not convinced this is normal.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3708946434_1ed28caf90_o.jpg

Yes, that looks normal to me, particularly for a high ISO image in the shadows. That is what you have to expect. When there is no light to capture, the camera has to make do with the few photos that it receives...

Christopher M.W.T · 07-10-2009, 08:07 PM

Whats the speckling on the very dark scenes? thats whats totally stumping me.

Christopher M.W.T · 07-10-2009, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by arpaagent

Yes, that looks normal to me, particularly for a high ISO image in the shadows. That is what you have to expect. When there is no light to capture, the camera has to make do with the few photos that it receives...

That was taken at ISO 400

Christopher M.W.T · 07-10-2009, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by arpaagent

Yes, that looks normal to me, particularly for a high ISO image in the shadows. That is what you have to expect. When there is no light to capture, the camera has to make do with the few photos that it receives...

Ok then.

Just out of curiousity are you able to upload a demonstration?

thanks.

07-10-2009, 01:30 AM	#61
Daveinozbikes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dawesville,Western Australia. Photos: Gallery Posts: 128	Cooling..... Originally posted by brecklundin I would...no reason for that issue to exist. Now ever and especially nit when ya paid full boat MSRP for the thing in order to help support the company. Is this a case of some component overheating? I wonder if by making the body so compact the air flow is significantly different. I would love to read about someone living in like Fresno, Mojave, Palm Springs or some back-country dust farm in Australia (wait it's not summer down south...so it's not warm, right?) but someone somewhere hot taking the thing out for a shoot in the hot sun for a few hours. OK, someone living in the Midwest or, even better a hot muggy summer day shooting in the beach in Florida or the , Texas the Gulf of Mexico...just somewhere HOT...an oven should to as well!! hehehe...JUST JOKING ABOUT THE OVEN DON'T TRY IT... I have to admit I never considered cooling as an issue for a DSLR. I guess it is just another electronic device and needs proper airflow as much as any other such device. So that"s why they make the bodies so big in Canikon land ???????

07-10-2009, 07:25 PM	#69
kittykat46 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 923	The best recommendation for those who encounter this problem would be to return the unit. Its definitely a problem with the unit. I work in the electronics industry (nothing related to cameras). My experience with product launch stock is that in terms of build quality, they are about as good as it gets. They are likely to be checked 100% multiple times to ensure no "duds" interfere with the launch. The risk is higher with a) "Unknown" problems. There are issues which engineers have not been able to identify during testing, and only arise after e.g. 6 months of heavy usage. b) And... this one is a lot more controversial. Known problems which may only occur in e.g. 0.1% of the units, and won't injure anyone or fry the equipment. Top management may sign off on it and stay with the product launch date - "Let the warranty system handle it".....I'm not in those circles which make such decisions but I'm aware they do get made sometimes... I won't be surprised if this one is such a case.

07-10-2009, 07:37 PM	#70
Christopher M.W.T Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,689	Originally posted by kittykat46 The best recommendation for those who encounter this problem would be to return the unit. Its definitely a problem with the unit. I work in the electronics industry (nothing related to cameras). My experience with product launch stock is that in terms of build quality, they are about as good as it gets. They are likely to be checked 100% multiple times to ensure no "duds" interfere with the launch. The risk is higher with a) "Unknown" problems. There are issues which engineers have not been able to identify during testing, and only arise after e.g. 6 months of heavy usage. b) And... this one is a lot more controversial. Known problems which may only occur in e.g. 0.1% of the units, and won't injure anyone or fry the equipment. Top management may sign off on it and stay with the product launch date - "Let the warranty system handle it".....I'm not in those circles which make such decisions but I'm aware they do get made sometimes... I won't be surprised if this one is such a case. In video mode I found a similar line is apparent in very dark scenes. Also please take a look at the very dark part of the image, near the bottom where the PS3 & receiver are. It's very speckly. I'm still not convinced this is normal. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3708946434_1ed28caf90_o.jpg

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07-10-2009, 03:17 AM	#62
Maffer Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 308	There's nothing wrong in camera body being large. Not everyone has tiny weeny little sticks otherwise known as fingers.

07-10-2009, 06:13 AM	#63
K-9 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,971	Originally posted by Fototim If I've read this correctly, they just lost their chance. Ritz Camera Files Auction Plans for 400 Stores with Bankruptcy Court "A hearing on the bidding is scheduled for July 10 at the U.S. Bankruptcy in Wilmington, and Ritz Camera Centers intends to hold the auction on July 20 with a court hearing on July 23 to approve the sale. Once approved by the court, going out of business sales could be held the next day, according to Reuters’s reporting." Looks like I'll be back hitting the remaining Ritz stores on July 24th! Although, I checked two of the few remaining stores left open in my area, and they had absolutely nothing Pentax at all. I'll have to hunt for the ones that do.

07-10-2009, 06:55 AM	#64
Torphoto Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Trinidad W.I. Photos: Gallery Posts: 612	New day, new card and still get lines, I'm giving the camera till monday then I'm sending it back for another, I really really like this camera, I just hope I got an early adopter bad sample here.

07-10-2009, 09:10 AM	#65
K-9 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,971	With any electronics, if something does something bizarre or out of the ordinary once, it may repeat it again later. Even if the flaw happened and then disappeared for a while, I wouldn't chance it. Why not just get an exchange for a brand new one?

07-10-2009, 09:18 AM	#66
Torphoto Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Trinidad W.I. Photos: Gallery Posts: 612	Originally posted by K-9 With any electronics, if something does something bizarre or out of the ordinary once, it may repeat it again later. Even if the flaw happened and then disappeared for a while, I wouldn't chance it. Why not just get an exchange for a brand new one? Good point, ok now where's that fedex truck

07-10-2009, 05:49 PM	#67
brecklundin Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,674	Originally posted by K-9 With any electronics, if something does something bizarre or out of the ordinary once, it may repeat it again later. Even if the flaw happened and then disappeared for a while, I wouldn't chance it. Why not just get an exchange for a brand new one? I agree...even more so when one pays the full boat MSRP like is being charged for the K7 right now. People who are willing to take the chance of buying early releases of any electronic item deserve a perfect product considering the premuim they are paying to be in that first group of owners.

07-10-2009, 07:23 PM	#68
kitkat Forum Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Kanata, Ontario, Canada Posts: 85	Originally posted by brecklundin I agree...even more so when one pays the full boat MSRP like is being charged for the K7 right now. People who are willing to take the chance of buying early releases of any electronic item deserve a perfect product considering the premuim they are paying to be in that first group of owners. People who are willing to take the chance of buying early releases (aka v1.0) of anything are pioneers. How do you tell pioneers from the crowd - they're the ones with arrows sticking out of their backs! I would never, ever, buy the first model of anything anymore - I've been burnt too many times!

07-10-2009, 07:55 PM	#71
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434	Originally posted by C.W Tsorotes In video mode I found a similar line is apparent in very dark scenes. Also please take a look at the very dark part of the image, near the bottom where the PS3 & receiver are. It's very speckly. I'm still not convinced this is normal. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3708946434_1ed28caf90_o.jpg I'm not convinced it is abnormal. Noise seems well, as noise seems. And quite uniform..

07-10-2009, 08:07 PM	#72
arpaagent Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Raleigh, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 803	Originally posted by C.W Tsorotes In video mode I found a similar line is apparent in very dark scenes. Also please take a look at the very dark part of the image, near the bottom where the PS3 & receiver are. It's very speckly. I'm still not convinced this is normal. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3708946434_1ed28caf90_o.jpg Yes, that looks normal to me, particularly for a high ISO image in the shadows. That is what you have to expect. When there is no light to capture, the camera has to make do with the few photos that it receives...

07-10-2009, 08:07 PM	#73
Christopher M.W.T Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,689	Whats the speckling on the very dark scenes? thats whats totally stumping me.

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07-10-2009, 08:14 PM	#74
Christopher M.W.T Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,689	Originally posted by arpaagent Yes, that looks normal to me, particularly for a high ISO image in the shadows. That is what you have to expect. When there is no light to capture, the camera has to make do with the few photos that it receives... That was taken at ISO 400

07-10-2009, 08:15 PM	#75
Christopher M.W.T Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,689	Originally posted by arpaagent Yes, that looks normal to me, particularly for a high ISO image in the shadows. That is what you have to expect. When there is no light to capture, the camera has to make do with the few photos that it receives... Ok then. Just out of curiousity are you able to upload a demonstration? thanks.